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From: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
To: Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com>
Cc: Yonghong Song <yhs@fb.com>, Andrii Nakryiko <andriin@fb.com>,
	bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>, Martin KaFai Lau <kafai@fb.com>,
	Networking <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@fb.com>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Kernel Team <kernel-team@fb.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH bpf-next 05/16] bpf: create file or anonymous dumpers
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 09:46:40 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200415164640.evaujoootr4n55sc@ast-mbp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEf4BzZnq958Guuusb9y65UCtB-DARxdk7_q7ZPBZ3WOwjSKaw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 09:45:08PM -0700, Andrii Nakryiko wrote:
> >
> > > FD is closed, dumper program is detached and dumper is destroyed
> > > (unless pinned in bpffs, just like with any other bpf_link.
> > > 3. At this point bpf_dumper_link can be treated like a factory of
> > > seq_files. We can add a new BPF_DUMPER_OPEN_FILE (all names are for
> > > illustration purposes) command, that accepts dumper link FD and
> > > returns a new seq_file FD, which can be read() normally (or, e.g.,
> > > cat'ed from shell).
> >
> > In this case, link_query may not be accurate if a bpf_dumper_link
> > is created but no corresponding bpf_dumper_open_file. What we really
> > need to iterate through all dumper seq_file FDs.
> 
> If the goal is to iterate all the open seq_files (i.e., bpfdump active
> sessions), then bpf_link is clearly not the right approach. But I
> thought we are talking about iterating all the bpfdump programs
> attachments, not **sessions**, in which case bpf_link is exactly the
> right approach.

That's an important point. What is the pinned /sys/kernel/bpfdump/tasks/foo ?
Every time 'cat' opens it a new seq_file is created with new FD, right ?
Reading of that file can take infinite amount of time, since 'cat' can be
paused in the middle.
I think we're dealing with several different kinds of objects here.
1. "template" of seq_file that is seen with 'ls' in /sys/kernel/bpfdump/
2. given instance of seq_file after "template" was open
3. bpfdumper program
4. and now links. One bpf_link from seq_file template to bpf prog and
  many other bpf_links from actual seq_file kernel object to bpf prog.
  I think both kinds of links need to be iteratable via get_next_id.

At the same time I don't think 1 and 2 are links.
read-ing link FD should not trigger program execution. link is the connecting
abstraction. It shouldn't be used to trigger anything. It's static.
Otherwise read-ing cgroup-bpf link would need to trigger cgroup bpf prog too.
FD that points to actual seq_file is the one that should be triggering
iteration of kernel objects and corresponding execution of linked prog.
That FD can be anon_inode returned from raw_tp_open (or something else)
or FD from open("/sys/kernel/bpfdump/foo").

The more I think about all the objects involved the more it feels that the
whole process should consist of three steps (instead of two).
1. load bpfdump prog
2. create seq_file-template in /sys/kernel/bpfdump/
   (not sure which api should do that)
3. use bpf_link_create api to attach bpfdumper prog to that seq_file-template

Then when the file is opened a new bpf_link is created for that reading session.
At the same time both kinds of links (to teamplte and to seq_file) should be
iteratable for observability reasons, but get_fd_from_id on them should probably
be disallowed, since holding such FD to these special links by other process
has odd semantics.

Similarly for anon seq_file it should be three step process as well:
1. load bpfdump prog
2. create anon seq_file (api is tbd) that returns FD
3. use bpf_link_create to attach prog to seq_file FD

May be it's all overkill. These are just my thoughts so far.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-15 16:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-08 23:25 [RFC PATCH bpf-next 00/16] bpf: implement bpf based dumping of kernel data structures Yonghong Song
2020-04-08 23:25 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 01/16] net: refactor net assignment for seq_net_private structure Yonghong Song
2020-04-08 23:25 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 02/16] bpf: create /sys/kernel/bpfdump mount file system Yonghong Song
2020-04-08 23:25 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 03/16] bpf: provide a way for targets to register themselves Yonghong Song
2020-04-09  9:20   ` [bpf] 1bcd60aafb: canonical_address#:#[##] kernel test robot
2020-04-10 18:30     ` Yonghong Song
2020-04-10 22:18   ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 03/16] bpf: provide a way for targets to register themselves Andrii Nakryiko
2020-04-10 23:24     ` Yonghong Song
2020-04-13 19:31       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-04-15 22:57     ` Yonghong Song
2020-04-10 22:25   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-04-10 23:25     ` Yonghong Song
2020-04-08 23:25 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 04/16] bpf: allow loading of a dumper program Yonghong Song
2020-04-10 22:36   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-04-10 23:28     ` Yonghong Song
2020-04-13 19:33       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-04-08 23:25 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 05/16] bpf: create file or anonymous dumpers Yonghong Song
2020-04-10  3:00   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-04-10  6:09     ` Yonghong Song
2020-04-10 22:42     ` Yonghong Song
2020-04-10 22:53       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-04-10 23:47         ` Yonghong Song
2020-04-11 23:11           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-04-12  6:51             ` Yonghong Song
2020-04-13 20:48             ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-04-10 22:51   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-04-10 23:41     ` Yonghong Song
2020-04-13 19:45       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-04-10 23:25   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-04-11  0:23     ` Yonghong Song
2020-04-11 23:17       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-04-13 21:04         ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-04-13 19:59       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-04-14  5:56   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-04-14 23:59     ` Yonghong Song
2020-04-15  4:45       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-04-15 16:46         ` Alexei Starovoitov [this message]
2020-04-16  1:48           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-04-16  7:15             ` Yonghong Song
2020-04-16 17:04             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-04-16 19:35               ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-04-16 23:18                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-04-17  5:11                   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-04-19  6:11                     ` Yonghong Song
2020-04-08 23:25 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 06/16] bpf: add netlink and ipv6_route targets Yonghong Song
2020-04-10 23:13   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-04-10 23:52     ` Yonghong Song
2020-04-08 23:25 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 07/16] bpf: add bpf_map target Yonghong Song
2020-04-13 22:18   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-04-13 22:47     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-04-08 23:25 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 08/16] bpf: add task and task/file targets Yonghong Song
2020-04-10  3:22   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-04-10  6:19     ` Yonghong Song
2020-04-10 21:31       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-04-10 21:33         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-04-13 23:00   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-04-08 23:25 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 09/16] bpf: add bpf_seq_printf and bpf_seq_write helpers Yonghong Song
2020-04-10  3:26   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-04-10  6:12     ` Yonghong Song
2020-04-14  5:28   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-04-08 23:25 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 10/16] bpf: support variable length array in tracing programs Yonghong Song
2020-04-14  0:13   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-04-08 23:25 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 11/16] bpf: implement query for target_proto and file dumper prog_id Yonghong Song
2020-04-10  3:10   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-04-10  6:11     ` Yonghong Song
2020-04-08 23:25 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 12/16] tools/libbpf: libbpf support for bpfdump Yonghong Song
2020-04-08 23:25 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 13/16] tools/bpftool: add bpf dumper support Yonghong Song
2020-04-08 23:25 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 14/16] tools/bpf: selftests: add dumper programs for ipv6_route and netlink Yonghong Song
2020-04-14  5:39   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2020-04-08 23:25 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 15/16] tools/bpf: selftests: add dumper progs for bpf_map/task/task_file Yonghong Song
2020-04-10  3:33   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-04-10  6:41     ` Yonghong Song
2020-04-08 23:25 ` [RFC PATCH bpf-next 16/16] tools/bpf: selftests: add a selftest for anonymous dumper Yonghong Song

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