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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] uaccess: user_access_begin_after_access_ok()
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 17:33:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200602163306.GM23230@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fc204429-7a6e-8214-a66f-bf2676018aae@redhat.com>

On Tue, Jun 02, 2020 at 06:15:57PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> 
> On 2020/6/2 下午4:45, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > So vhost needs to poke at userspace *a lot* in a quick succession.  It
> > is thus benefitial to enable userspace access, do our thing, then
> > disable. Except access_ok has already been pre-validated with all the
> > relevant nospec checks, so we don't need that.  Add an API to allow
> > userspace access after access_ok and barrier_nospec are done.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
> > ---
> > 
> > Jason, so I've been thinking using something along these lines,
> > then switching vhost to use unsafe_copy_to_user and friends would
> > solve lots of problems you observed with SMAP.
> > 
> > What do you think?
> 
> 
> I'm fine with this approach.

I am not.

> >   Do we need any other APIs to make it practical?
> 
> 
> It's not clear whether we need a new API, I think __uaccess_being() has the
> assumption that the address has been validated by access_ok().

__uaccess_begin() is a stopgap, not a public API.

The problem is real, but "let's add a public API that would do user_access_begin()
with access_ok() already done" is no-go.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-02 16:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-02  8:45 [PATCH RFC] uaccess: user_access_begin_after_access_ok() Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-06-02 10:15 ` Jason Wang
2020-06-02 16:33   ` Al Viro [this message]
2020-06-02 17:18     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-06-02 17:44       ` Al Viro
2020-06-02 17:46         ` Al Viro
2020-06-02 20:32       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-06-02 20:41         ` David Laight
2020-06-02 21:58           ` Al Viro
2020-06-03  8:08             ` David Laight
2020-06-02 20:43         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-06-03  6:01           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]             ` <CAHk-=wi3=QuD30fRq8fYYTj9WmkgeZ0VR_Sh3DQHU+nmwj-jMg@mail.gmail.com>
2020-06-03 16:59               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-06-02 16:30 ` Al Viro
2020-06-02 20:42   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-06-02 22:10     ` Al Viro
2020-06-03  5:17       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-06-03  1:48 ` Al Viro
2020-06-03  3:57   ` Jason Wang
2020-06-03  4:18     ` Al Viro
2020-06-03  5:18       ` Jason Wang
2020-06-03  5:46         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-06-03  6:23           ` Jason Wang
2020-06-03  6:30             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-06-03  6:36               ` Jason Wang
2020-06-04 16:49                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-06-05 10:03                   ` Jason Wang
2020-06-06 20:08                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-06-03  6:25       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-06-03  5:29   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-06-03 16:52     ` Al Viro
2020-06-04  6:10       ` Jason Wang
2020-06-04 14:59         ` Al Viro
2020-06-04 16:46           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-06-04 10:10       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-06-04 15:03         ` Al Viro
2020-06-04 16:47           ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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