From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=3.0 tests=DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2010C433E0 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 19:30:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81DA42076A for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 19:30:05 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=chromium.org header.i=@chromium.org header.b="gbtZcQED" Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S2389228AbgFITaE (ORCPT ); Tue, 9 Jun 2020 15:30:04 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:56862 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1728679AbgFIT35 (ORCPT ); Tue, 9 Jun 2020 15:29:57 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-x444.google.com (mail-pf1-x444.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::444]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFA42C03E97C for ; Tue, 9 Jun 2020 12:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf1-x444.google.com with SMTP id b201so18808pfb.0 for ; Tue, 09 Jun 2020 12:29:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=chromium.org; s=google; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=lrNZt0MHOnjftD+toCJiTQv+PMA1xMJhh4w8++pUPGM=; b=gbtZcQEDLCUU9CqWf+7FbEgPhzVhA9ZDHdZzwBqQC+hOj8SA68uFyMiv0ElgZZWjtK V5TqAf9eBnpuGEAzu03YHBDyI4V1WauNT+QAnXUwF0y8KFKAYEtYpNvXpg8v+QYhwio5 en6xulro9ueMLbkq3Vlyck9Gza7Bs8r5E3fNQ= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=lrNZt0MHOnjftD+toCJiTQv+PMA1xMJhh4w8++pUPGM=; b=ghvjDGqwEdCSalsxQVzfQFXOqC2kEIRWutKewKF9IxQM6s6TMN8EBv+O6PhP8X5yJM 82snY+Ks4A3iPDOOVe8f1Rrz9p0cu57KgTQyEsJShrf9+Q0eHQ3vmEVu96KAe+3bE5PE 5pY3PuZPNtm4BpCjjk/JTo+I2cZFxuUvEkHos3DVcXbk5PMHL8FxXMGEZJUpybNSwdcY cxfLp+BmlfLUFuC/an21shE1yLT8pzcHHDX1Ph/50NHT0wy2XHeE6Hrcuj9jkXzT2hvj rffKg1Zmt4q5XyRohAbRYIVZ7Gg7o9GrcjvV9gDruJBOSQ4HUKmLiFVECvOLT+gxOejq MBiQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532yQ0fNcXQT3/Y+PPvowfxq6W61OH5kr9Mdi/5p8YCKKvDyy0cZ wovrRDrOQEa1QFkmrpxF+WikQQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw3u9YjiwkoOUaSfzuKhTCx4daVvmPUXp8gu4QHLoH55ck5aMiWVypH2wi+kNplt0PhZUmWLQ== X-Received: by 2002:aa7:9558:: with SMTP id w24mr26619306pfq.241.1591730997079; Tue, 09 Jun 2020 12:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.outflux.net (smtp.outflux.net. [198.145.64.163]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o96sm3319015pjo.13.2020.06.09.12.29.55 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 09 Jun 2020 12:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 12:29:54 -0700 From: Kees Cook To: David Miller Cc: stephen@networkplumber.org, o.rempel@pengutronix.de, andrew@lunn.ch, f.fainelli@gmail.com, hkallweit1@gmail.com, kuba@kernel.org, corbet@lwn.net, mkubecek@suse.cz, linville@tuxdriver.com, david@protonic.nl, kernel@pengutronix.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux@armlinux.org.uk, mkl@pengutronix.de, marex@denx.de, christian.herber@nxp.com, amitc@mellanox.com, petrm@mellanox.com Subject: Re: [PATCH ethtool v1] netlink: add master/slave configuration support Message-ID: <202006091222.CB97F743AD@keescook> References: <20200607153019.3c8d6650@hermes.lan> <20200607.164532.964293508393444353.davem@davemloft.net> <20200609101935.5716b3bd@hermes.lan> <20200609.113633.1866761141966326637.davem@davemloft.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200609.113633.1866761141966326637.davem@davemloft.net> Sender: netdev-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: netdev@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Jun 09, 2020 at 11:36:33AM -0700, David Miller wrote: > From: Stephen Hemminger > Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 10:19:35 -0700 > > > Yes, words do matter and convey a lot of implied connotation and > > meaning. > > What is your long term plan? Will you change all of the UAPI for > bonding for example? > > Or will we have a partial solution to the problem? As a first step, let's stop _adding_ this language. Given what I've seen from other communities and what I know of the kernel community, I don't think we're going to get consensus on some massive global search/replace any time soon. However, I think we can get started on making this change with just stopping further introductions. (I view this like any other treewide change: stop new badness from getting added, and chip away as old ones as we can until it's all gone.) -- Kees Cook