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From: Russell King - ARM Linux admin <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
To: Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@gmail.com>
Cc: davem@davemloft.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org, andrew@lunn.ch,
	f.fainelli@gmail.com, vivien.didelot@gmail.com,
	claudiu.manoil@nxp.com, alexandru.marginean@nxp.com,
	ioana.ciornei@nxp.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 5/7] net: dsa: felix: delete .phylink_mac_an_restart code
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2020 17:53:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200625165349.GI1551@shell.armlinux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200625152331.3784018-6-olteanv@gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 06:23:29PM +0300, Vladimir Oltean wrote:
> From: Vladimir Oltean <vladimir.oltean@nxp.com>
> 
> In hardware, the AN_RESTART field for these SerDes protocols (SGMII,
> USXGMII) clears the resolved configuration from the PCS's
> auto-negotiation state machine.
> 
> But PHYLINK has a different interpretation of "AN restart". It assumes
> that this Linux system is capable of re-triggering an auto-negotiation
> sequence, something which is only possible with 1000Base-X and
> 2500Base-X, where the auto-negotiation is symmetrical. In SGMII and
> USXGMII, there's an AN master and an AN slave, and it isn't so much of
> "auto-negotiation" as it is "PHY passing the resolved link state on to
> the MAC".

This is not "a different interpretation".

The LX2160A documentation for this PHY says:

  9             Restart Auto Negotiation
 Restart_Auto_N Self-clearing Read / Write command bit, set to '1' to
                restart an auto negotiation sequence. Set to '0'
		(Reset value) in normal operation mode. Note: Controls
		the Clause 37 1000Base-X Auto-negotiation.

It doesn't say anything about clearing anything for SGMII.

Also, the Cisco SGMII specification does not indicate that it is
possible to restart the "autonegotiation" - the PHY is the controlling
end of the SGMII link.  There is no clause in the SGMII specification
that indicates that changing the MAC's tx_config word to the PHY will
have any effect on the PHY once the data path has been established.

Finally, when a restart of negotiation is requested, and we have a PHY
attached in SGMII mode, we will talk to that PHY to cause a restart of
negotiation on the media side, which will implicitly cause the link
to drop and re-establish, causing the SGMII side to indicate link down
and subsequently re-establish according to the media side results.

So, please, lay off your phylink bashing in your commit messages.

-- 
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  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-25 16:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-25 15:23 [PATCH net-next 0/7] PHYLINK integration improvements for Felix DSA driver Vladimir Oltean
2020-06-25 15:23 ` [PATCH net-next 1/7] net: dsa: felix: stop writing to read-only fields in MII_BMCR Vladimir Oltean
2020-06-25 16:28   ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-06-25 15:23 ` [PATCH net-next 2/7] net: dsa: felix: support half-duplex link modes Vladimir Oltean
2020-06-25 16:30   ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-06-25 15:23 ` [PATCH net-next 3/7] net: dsa: felix: unconditionally configure MAC speed to 1000Mbps Vladimir Oltean
2020-06-25 15:23 ` [PATCH net-next 4/7] net: dsa: felix: set proper pause frame timers based on link speed Vladimir Oltean
2020-06-25 16:37   ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-06-25 16:48     ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-06-25 16:58       ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-06-25 17:06         ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-06-25 17:53           ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-06-25 15:23 ` [PATCH net-next 5/7] net: dsa: felix: delete .phylink_mac_an_restart code Vladimir Oltean
2020-06-25 16:53   ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin [this message]
2020-06-26  8:53     ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-06-26 11:08       ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-06-26 11:19         ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-06-26 11:32           ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-06-25 15:23 ` [PATCH net-next 6/7] net: dsa: felix: disable in-band AN in MII_BMCR without reset Vladimir Oltean
2020-06-25 15:23 ` [PATCH net-next 7/7] net: dsa: felix: use resolved link config in mac_link_up() Vladimir Oltean

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