From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.1 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIMWL_WL_HIGH, DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,MENTIONS_GIT_HOSTING, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 406CAC43466 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 08:20:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA9121D43 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 08:20:10 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=default; t=1600503610; bh=2C9DbblZpeIvlNXU3EPTGvHJlm9sVGUJC+UeC6+NXak=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:List-ID:From; b=0rSNT/VOOvdUWTm0vcLFk9hBDDEgC5K91NIUELSBw/F7kMZzQK0VRdegcGmMsCeVk 3DsXCWTVyPoKWo5XaYe6KONJ8p0C89AoldJczZL9pKi/v/SZsXJYATwdDLkM3+RO1n 8sWKSB9wF8O6Ac4Rwjs5ywemdJlLSkGg7f936XrA= Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726298AbgISIUI (ORCPT ); Sat, 19 Sep 2020 04:20:08 -0400 Received: from mail.kernel.org ([198.145.29.99]:49494 "EHLO mail.kernel.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726097AbgISIUI (ORCPT ); Sat, 19 Sep 2020 04:20:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [213.57.247.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CEE6F21481; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 08:20:06 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=default; t=1600503607; bh=2C9DbblZpeIvlNXU3EPTGvHJlm9sVGUJC+UeC6+NXak=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=F2UPYdRzG9ETJ/t17NF+XSeSyiV21ZpcmsJH/hn13UO06Bu1XDhkk1yFx68Cg2JiI Jpf1AnoWSqUhS0S0EeskvV+dEPbWSh5VQJy0R9PowoLJ/ZFn+SLv980sd2MxHr+6iW DLAe4nXVRGtCoADIc9lDn1GhYSVMdAJDxKWDtH5Q= Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 11:20:03 +0300 From: Leon Romanovsky To: Greg Kroah-Hartman Cc: Oded Gabbay , Gal Pressman , Jason Gunthorpe , Jakub Kicinski , "Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel. Org" , netdev@vger.kernel.org, SW_Drivers , "David S. Miller" , Andrew Lunn , Florian Fainelli , linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/14] Adding GAUDI NIC code to habanalabs driver Message-ID: <20200919082003.GW869610@unreal> References: <20200915133556.21268811@kicinski-fedora-pc1c0hjn.dhcp.thefacebook.com> <20200917171833.GJ8409@ziepe.ca> <0b21db8d-1061-6453-960b-8043951b3bad@amazon.com> <20200918115227.GR869610@unreal> <20200918120340.GT869610@unreal> <20200918121905.GU869610@unreal> <20200919064020.GC439518@kroah.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200919064020.GC439518@kroah.com> Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: netdev@vger.kernel.org On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 08:40:20AM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 03:19:05PM +0300, Leon Romanovsky wrote: > > > So we do have an open-source library called hl-thunk, which uses our > > > driver and indeed that was part of the requirement. > > > It is similar to libdrm. > > > Here is the link: > > > https://github.com/HabanaAI/hl-thunk > > > > Are you kidding? > > > > This is mirror of some internal repository that looks like dumpster > > with ChangeId, internal bug tracker numbers, not part of major OS > > distributions. > > > > It is not open-source library and shows very clear why you chose > > to upstream your driver through driver/misc/ tree. > > It is an open source library, as per the license and the code > availability. What more is expected here? So can I fork iproute2, add bunch of new custom netlink UAPIs and expect Dave to merge it after I throw it on github? > > No distro has to pick it up, that's not a requirement for kernel code, > we have many kernel helper programs that are not in distros. Heck, udev > took a long time to get into distros, does that mean the kernel side of > that interface should never have been merged? > > I don't understand your complaint here, it's not our place to judge the > code quality of userspace libraries, otherwise we would never get any > real-work done :) My main complaint is that you can't imagine merging code into large subsystems (netdev, RDMA, DRM? e.t.c) without being civil open-source citizen. It means use of existing user-space libraries/tools and/or providing new ones that will be usable for everyone. In this case, we have some custom char device with library that is not usable for anyone else and this is why drivers/misc/ is right place. While we are talking about real-work, it is our benefit to push companies to make investment into ecosystem and not letting them to find an excuse for not doing it. Thanks > > thanks, > > greg k-h