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From: Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com>
To: Vladimir Oltean <vladimir.oltean@nxp.com>
Cc: Microchip Linux Driver Support <UNGLinuxDriver@microchip.com>,
	Claudiu Manoil <claudiu.manoil@nxp.com>,
	Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	Vivien Didelot <vivien.didelot@gmail.com>,
	Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 1/7] net: mscc: ocelot: use the pvid of zero when bridged with vlan_filtering=0
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2020 09:47:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201102084720.GA7761@piout.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201031102916.667619-2-vladimir.oltean@nxp.com>

Hello,

On 31/10/2020 12:29:10+0200, Vladimir Oltean wrote:
> Currently, mscc_ocelot ports configure pvid=0 in standalone mode, and
> inherit the pvid from the bridge when one is present.
> 
> When the bridge has vlan_filtering=0, the software semantics are that
> packets should be received regardless of whether there's a pvid
> configured on the ingress port or not. However, ocelot does not observe
> those semantics today.
> 
> Moreover, changing the PVID is also a problem with vlan_filtering=0.
> We are privately remapping the VID of FDB, MDB entries to the port's
> PVID when those are VLAN-unaware (i.e. when the VID of these entries
> comes to us as 0). But we have no logic of adjusting that remapping when
> the user changes the pvid and vlan_filtering is 0. So stale entries
> would be left behind, and untagged traffic will stop matching on them.
> 
> And even if we were to solve that, there's an even bigger problem. If
> swp0 has pvid 1, and swp1 has pvid 2, and both are under a vlan_filtering=0
> bridge, they should be able to forward traffic between one another.
> However, with ocelot they wouldn't do that.
> 
> The simplest way of fixing this is to never configure the pvid based on
> what the bridge is asking for, when vlan_filtering is 0. Only if there
> was a VLAN that the bridge couldn't mangle, that we could use as pvid....
> So, turns out, there's 0 just for that. And for a reason: IEEE
> 802.1Q-2018, page 247, Table 9-2-Reserved VID values says:
> 
> 	The null VID. Indicates that the tag header contains only
> 	priority information; no VID is present in the frame.
> 	This VID value shall not be configured as a PVID or a member
> 	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 	of a VID Set, or configured in any FDB entry, or used in any
> 	Management operation.
> 
> So, aren't we doing exactly what 802.1Q says not to? Well, in a way, but
> what we're doing here is just driver-level bookkeeping, all for the
> better. The fact that we're using a pvid of 0 is not observable behavior
> from the outside world: the network stack does not see the classified
> VLAN that the switch uses, in vlan_filtering=0 mode. And we're also more
> consistent with the standalone mode now.
> 

IIRC, we are using pvid 1 because else bridging breaks when
CONFIG_VLAN_8021Q is not enabled. Did you test that configuration?



-- 
Alexandre Belloni, Bootlin
Embedded Linux and Kernel engineering
https://bootlin.com

  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-02  8:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-31 10:29 [PATCH net-next 0/7] VLAN improvements for Ocelot switch Vladimir Oltean
2020-10-31 10:29 ` [PATCH net-next 1/7] net: mscc: ocelot: use the pvid of zero when bridged with vlan_filtering=0 Vladimir Oltean
2020-11-02  8:47   ` Alexandre Belloni [this message]
2020-11-02 15:35     ` Vladimir Oltean
2020-10-31 10:29 ` [PATCH net-next 2/7] net: mscc: ocelot: don't reset the pvid to 0 when deleting it Vladimir Oltean
2020-10-31 10:29 ` [PATCH net-next 3/7] net: mscc: ocelot: transform the pvid and native vlan values into a structure Vladimir Oltean
2020-10-31 10:29 ` [PATCH net-next 4/7] net: mscc: ocelot: add a "valid" boolean to struct ocelot_vlan Vladimir Oltean
2020-10-31 10:29 ` [PATCH net-next 5/7] net: mscc: ocelot: move the logic to drop 802.1p traffic to the pvid deletion Vladimir Oltean
2020-10-31 10:29 ` [PATCH net-next 6/7] net: mscc: ocelot: deny changing the native VLAN from the prepare phase Vladimir Oltean
2020-10-31 10:29 ` [PATCH net-next 7/7] net: dsa: felix: improve the workaround for multiple native VLANs on NPI port Vladimir Oltean
2020-11-03  1:10 ` [PATCH net-next 0/7] VLAN improvements for Ocelot switch Jakub Kicinski

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