From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2997C433F5 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2021 20:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C72610D2 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2021 20:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1351082AbhICUt2 (ORCPT ); Fri, 3 Sep 2021 16:49:28 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:42110 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1351052AbhICUt0 (ORCPT ); Fri, 3 Sep 2021 16:49:26 -0400 Received: from mail-ed1-x534.google.com (mail-ed1-x534.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::534]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5E557C061575; Fri, 3 Sep 2021 13:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ed1-x534.google.com with SMTP id i6so609904edu.1; Fri, 03 Sep 2021 13:48:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=jhRNr0iOROYYKruATBYmBX4u8KwXp0Az/NpG3T4a+BE=; b=eF1CRXdE3zFFPRPXxphywHfGqjBMnfA/tCp2Vgf5uk+45JIvOKANVPSjT2flp+FMF9 SdOlecFev9P2ZjWqjKgykf0zKOO4VinAX7K1aQR343ui+UnADrfjlvcNX0MQDWvHBB89 GdISAjmjD5Ru9V7CZuXOETPe+yH0WAJ7ZGMYRgSXatzCGi/O0GGsWN/+Qd73AOFIDkkV nrKImHVGU0SMtcd1OQ68jhD1FC7VhPy2twlqZQi5WZR7vcDGRMnW3C2lzklMH5NDfnOe ql6ZRErNsP+YCGN/O+sr7LrVDWI9KfRhb+wljnoDeNeQdkU3o4DfbP1ODjbvsM6JXAQi /KzA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=jhRNr0iOROYYKruATBYmBX4u8KwXp0Az/NpG3T4a+BE=; b=bTECW3YIn5wNQ4o/wlj+/v6QYdbHmNP6YkUPLUjZkkUCBseQnpbwRe7noCxf9DpXdL gfCoUrr02ekb9VLlK2ROA2aAOBZikjCH17kHQz2j/YGw85UcXQzXJLcHEgoE+xOVqFUH 2jz2mrzB45Tv/i6MniwXx3rPYiUKv7lD0QZdHjJkejXxVaIkqKf3pDJ2rtQhu67tXEXL SAUpQw6SW5qbS2xkDX4VhaEAzj1/7Tl5WmjK3IdZjo+6ei4icR4I5IJU+V0Mmh5EM2wS pMIPXHplEcQSAjg9lvjspSR0KPYyizELPIxSzaFvcbsXTX4+Nw11c75sxzM1g2JClwH1 8AsA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530veLIGWoPrr+JBXBojdhTFw97r0C62yHAsa72gUKeEDgYzJUnZ W0Xk3TNDGYPEMJMj1NHEREE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyIAPKnrFEq1VwnVKULV1n8RWA6yeCeNyAWAEKWHcyjcAhSknkRyU30iZ7Tp4FkU+FkV6cRzw== X-Received: by 2002:aa7:d455:: with SMTP id q21mr866712edr.5.1630702104907; Fri, 03 Sep 2021 13:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skbuf ([82.78.148.104]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g9sm108214ejo.60.2021.09.03.13.48.23 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 03 Sep 2021 13:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2021 23:48:22 +0300 From: Vladimir Oltean To: "Russell King (Oracle)" Cc: Andrew Lunn , Florian Fainelli , Vladimir Oltean , netdev@vger.kernel.org, Greg Kroah-Hartman , "Rafael J. Wysocki" , Heiner Kallweit , "David S. Miller" , Jakub Kicinski , Vivien Didelot , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Linus Walleij , Alvin =?utf-8?Q?=C5=A0ipraga?= , ACPI Devel Maling List , kernel-team , Len Brown Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next 1/3] net: phy: don't bind genphy in phy_attach_direct if the specific driver defers probe Message-ID: <20210903204822.cachpb2uh53rilzt@skbuf> References: <20210902185016.GL22278@shell.armlinux.org.uk> <20210902213303.GO22278@shell.armlinux.org.uk> <20210902213949.r3q5764wykqgjm4z@skbuf> <20210902222439.GQ22278@shell.armlinux.org.uk> <20210902224506.5h7bnybjbljs5uxz@skbuf> <20210902232607.v7uglvpqi5hyoudq@skbuf> <20210903000419.GR22278@shell.armlinux.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20210903000419.GR22278@shell.armlinux.org.uk> Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: netdev@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Sep 03, 2021 at 01:04:19AM +0100, Russell King (Oracle) wrote: > Removing a lock and then running the kernel is a down right stupid > way to test to see if a lock is necessary. > > That approach is like having built a iron bridge, covered it in paint, > then you remove most the bolts, and then test to see whether it's safe > for vehicles to travel over it by riding your bicycle across it and > declaring it safe. > > Sorry, but if you think "remove lock, run kernel, if it works fine > the lock is unnecessary" is a valid approach, then you've just > disqualified yourself from discussing this topic any further. > Locking is done by knowing the code and code analysis, not by > playing "does the code fail if I remove it" games. I am utterly > shocked that you think that this is a valid approach. ... and this is exactly why you will no longer get any attention from me on this topic. Good luck.