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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>,
	Ido Schimmel <idosch@idosch.org>, Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Jiri Pirko <jiri@nvidia.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	edwin.peer@broadcom.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next] devlink: Require devlink lock during device reload
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 10:43:58 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20211109144358.GA1824154@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20211108153126.1f3a8fe8@kicinski-fedora-pc1c0hjn.dhcp.thefacebook.com>

On Mon, Nov 08, 2021 at 03:31:26PM -0800, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Nov 2021 21:58:36 +0200 Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> > > > > nfp will benefit from the simplified locking as well, and so will bnxt,
> > > > > although I'm not sure the maintainers will opt for using devlink framework
> > > > > due to the downstream requirements.    
> > > > 
> > > > Exactly why devlink should be fixed first.  
> > > 
> > > If by "fixed first" you mean it needs 5 locks to be added and to remove
> > > any guarantees on sub-object lifetime then no thanks.  
> > 
> > How do you plan to fix pernet_ops_rwsem lock? By exposing devlink state
> > to the drivers? By providing unlocked version of unregister_netdevice_notifier?
> > 
> > This simple scenario has deadlocks:
> > sudo ip netns add n1
> > sudo devlink dev reload pci/0000:00:09.0 netns n1
> > sudo ip netns del n1
> 
> Okay - I'm not sure why you're asking me this. This is not related to
> devlink locking as far as I can tell. Neither are you fixing this
> problem in your own RFC.
> 
> You'd need to tell me more about what the notifier is used for (I see
> RoCE in the call trace). I don't understand why you need to re-register 
> a global (i.e. not per netns) notifier when devlink is switching name
> spaces.

This becomes all entangled in the aux device stuff we did before.

devlink reload is defined, for reasons unrelated to netns, to do a
complete restart of the aux devices below the devlink. This happens
necessarily during actual reconfiguration operations, for instance.

So we have a situation, which seems like bad design, where reload is
also triggered by net namespace change that has nothing to do with
reconfiguring. In this case the per-net-ns becomes a BKL that gets
held across way too much stuff as it recuses down the reload path,
through aux devices, into the driver core and beyond.

When I looked at trying to fix this from the RDMA side I could not
find any remedy that didn't involve some kind of change in netdev
land. The drivers must be able to register/unregister notifiers in
their struct device_driver probe/remove functions.

I once sketched out fixing this by removing the need to hold the
per_net_rwsem just for list iteration, which in turn avoids holding it
over the devlink reload paths. It seemed like a reasonable step toward
finer grained locking.

Jason

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-11-09 14:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-31 17:35 [PATCH net-next] devlink: Require devlink lock during device reload Leon Romanovsky
2021-11-01  7:12 ` Ido Schimmel
2021-11-01 15:03 ` Jiri Pirko
2021-11-01 20:52   ` Ido Schimmel
2021-11-01 23:11     ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-11-07 17:16       ` Ido Schimmel
2021-11-07 17:54         ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-11-08 16:09           ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-11-08 17:32             ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-11-08 18:16               ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-11-08 18:24                 ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-11-08 18:46                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-11-08 19:58                     ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-11-08 23:31                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-11-09 14:12                         ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-11-09 14:17                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-11-09 14:30                             ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-11-09 14:49                               ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-11-09 16:29                           ` Jiri Pirko
2021-11-09 14:43                         ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2021-11-09 15:07                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-11-09 15:33                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-09 16:20                               ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-11-09 18:24                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-11 12:05                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2021-11-11 12:17                                     ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-11-12  7:38                                       ` Jiri Pirko
2021-11-14  6:19                                         ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-11-15 11:20                                           ` Jiri Pirko
2021-11-15 12:53                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-15 14:42                                               ` Jiri Pirko
2021-11-15 15:09                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-15 15:22                                                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-11-16  7:00                                                     ` Jiri Pirko
2021-11-16 13:45                                                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-11-16  6:57                                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2021-11-16 12:44                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-11-17 14:15                                                       ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-11-10  7:52                                 ` Leon Romanovsky
2021-11-09 16:15                             ` Jiri Pirko
2021-11-09 16:26                               ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-11-09 16:30                                 ` Jiri Pirko

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