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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Maxim Mikityanskiy <maximmi@nvidia.com>,
	Maciej Fijalkowski <maciej.fijalkowski@intel.com>
Cc: bpf@vger.kernel.org, ast@kernel.org, daniel@iogearbox.net,
	magnus.karlsson@intel.com, bjorn@kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, brouer@redhat.com,
	alexandr.lobakin@intel.com, Tariq Toukan <tariqt@nvidia.com>,
	Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next 00/10] xsk: stop softirq processing on full XSK Rx queue
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 11:17:56 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220408111756.1339cb68@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <82a1e9c1-6039-7ead-e663-2b0298f31ada@nvidia.com>

On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 15:48:44 +0300 Maxim Mikityanskiy wrote:
> >> 4. A slow or malicious AF_XDP application may easily cause an overflow of
> >> the hardware receive ring. Your feature introduces a mechanism to pause the
> >> driver while the congestion is on the application side, but no symmetric
> >> mechanism to pause the application when the driver is close to an overflow.
> >> I don't know the behavior of Intel NICs on overflow, but in our NICs it's
> >> considered a critical error, that is followed by a recovery procedure, so
> >> it's not something that should happen under normal workloads.  
> > 
> > I'm not sure I follow on this one. Feature is about overflowing the XSK
> > receive ring, not the HW one, right?  
> 
> Right. So we have this pipeline of buffers:
> 
> NIC--> [HW RX ring] --NAPI--> [XSK RX ring] --app--> consumes packets
> 
> Currently, when the NIC puts stuff in HW RX ring, NAPI always runs and 
> drains it either to XSK RX ring or to /dev/null if XSK RX ring is full. 
> The driver fulfills its responsibility to prevent overflows of HW RX 
> ring. If the application doesn't consume quick enough, the frames will 
> be leaked, but it's only the application's issue, the driver stays 
> consistent.
> 
> After the feature, it's possible to pause NAPI from the userspace 
> application, effectively disrupting the driver's consistency. I don't 
> think an XSK application should have this power.

+1
cover letter refers to busy poll, but did that test enable prefer busy
poll w/ the timeout configured right? It seems like similar goal can 
be achieved with just that.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-04-08 18:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-05 11:06 [PATCH bpf-next 00/10] xsk: stop softirq processing on full XSK Rx queue Maciej Fijalkowski
2022-04-05 11:06 ` [PATCH bpf-next 01/10] xsk: improve xdp_do_redirect() error codes Maciej Fijalkowski
2022-04-05 12:18   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2022-04-05 11:06 ` [PATCH bpf-next 02/10] xsk: diversify return codes in xsk_rcv_check() Maciej Fijalkowski
2022-04-05 13:00   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2022-04-05 13:35     ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2022-04-05 11:06 ` [PATCH bpf-next 03/10] ice: xsk: terminate NAPI when XSK Rx queue gets full Maciej Fijalkowski
2022-04-05 11:34   ` Alexander Lobakin
2022-04-05 12:02     ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2022-04-05 11:06 ` [PATCH bpf-next 04/10] i40e: " Maciej Fijalkowski
2022-04-05 13:04   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2022-04-06 16:04     ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2022-04-05 11:06 ` [PATCH bpf-next 05/10] ixgbe: " Maciej Fijalkowski
2022-04-05 12:36   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2022-04-05 13:52     ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2022-04-05 11:06 ` [PATCH bpf-next 06/10] ice: xsk: diversify return values from xsk_wakeup call paths Maciej Fijalkowski
2022-04-05 11:06 ` [PATCH bpf-next 07/10] i40e: " Maciej Fijalkowski
2022-04-05 11:06 ` [PATCH bpf-next 08/10] ixgbe: " Maciej Fijalkowski
2022-04-05 11:06 ` [PATCH bpf-next 09/10] ice: xsk: avoid refilling single Rx descriptors Maciej Fijalkowski
2022-04-05 11:06 ` [PATCH bpf-next 10/10] xsk: drop ternary operator from xskq_cons_has_entries Maciej Fijalkowski
2022-04-07 10:49 ` [PATCH bpf-next 00/10] xsk: stop softirq processing on full XSK Rx queue Maxim Mikityanskiy
2022-04-08  9:08   ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2022-04-08 12:48     ` Maxim Mikityanskiy
2022-04-08 18:17       ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2022-04-11 15:46         ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2022-04-11 17:07           ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-04-11 15:35       ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2022-04-13 10:40         ` Maxim Mikityanskiy
2022-04-13 15:12           ` Magnus Karlsson
2022-04-13 15:26             ` Maciej Fijalkowski

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