[PATCH net-next] net: mark tulip obsolete

[PATCH net-next] net: mark tulip obsolete

[Jakub Kicinski]

It's ancient, an likely completely unused at this point.
Let's mark it obsolete to prevent refactoring.

Signed-off-by: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
---
 MAINTAINERS | 2 +-
 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)

diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
index 1397a6b039fb..9afe495a86ca 100644
--- a/MAINTAINERS
+++ b/MAINTAINERS
@@ -19687,7 +19687,7 @@ F:	drivers/media/tuners/tua9001*
 TULIP NETWORK DRIVERS
 L:	netdev@vger.kernel.org
 L:	linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org
-S:	Orphan
+S:	Orphan / Obsolete
 F:	drivers/net/ethernet/dec/tulip/
 
 TUN/TAP driver
-- 
2.34.1

Re: [PATCH net-next] net: mark tulip obsolete

[Helge Deller]

On 3/15/22 19:43, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> It's ancient, an likely completely unused at this point.
> Let's mark it obsolete to prevent refactoring.

NAK.

This driver is needed by nearly all PA-RISC machines.

Helge


> Signed-off-by: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
> ---
>  MAINTAINERS | 2 +-
>  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
>
> diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
> index 1397a6b039fb..9afe495a86ca 100644
> --- a/MAINTAINERS
> +++ b/MAINTAINERS
> @@ -19687,7 +19687,7 @@ F:	drivers/media/tuners/tua9001*
>  TULIP NETWORK DRIVERS
>  L:	netdev@vger.kernel.org
>  L:	linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org
> -S:	Orphan
> +S:	Orphan / Obsolete
>  F:	drivers/net/ethernet/dec/tulip/

Re: [PATCH net-next] net: mark tulip obsolete

[Jakub Kicinski]

On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 19:44:24 +0100 Helge Deller wrote:
> On 3/15/22 19:43, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> > It's ancient, an likely completely unused at this point.
> > Let's mark it obsolete to prevent refactoring.  
> 
> NAK.
> 
> This driver is needed by nearly all PA-RISC machines.

I was just trying to steer newcomers to code that's more relevant today.

Re: [PATCH net-next] net: mark tulip obsolete

[Helge Deller]

On 3/15/22 20:04, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 19:44:24 +0100 Helge Deller wrote:
>> On 3/15/22 19:43, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
>>> It's ancient, an likely completely unused at this point.
>>> Let's mark it obsolete to prevent refactoring.
>>
>> NAK.
>>
>> This driver is needed by nearly all PA-RISC machines.
>
> I was just trying to steer newcomers to code that's more relevant today.

That intention is ok, but "obsolete" means it's not used any more,
and that's not true.

Helge

Re: [PATCH net-next] net: mark tulip obsolete

[Jakub Kicinski]

On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 23:18:38 +0100 Helge Deller wrote:
> On 3/15/22 20:04, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> > On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 19:44:24 +0100 Helge Deller wrote:  
> >> On 3/15/22 19:43, Jakub Kicinski wrote:  
> >>> It's ancient, an likely completely unused at this point.
> >>> Let's mark it obsolete to prevent refactoring.  
> >>
> >> NAK.
> >>
> >> This driver is needed by nearly all PA-RISC machines.  
> >
> > I was just trying to steer newcomers to code that's more relevant today.  
> 
> That intention is ok, but "obsolete" means it's not used any more,
> and that's not true.

Hi Helge! Which incarnation of tulip do you need for PA-RISC, exactly?
I'd like to try to remove DE4X5, if that's not the one you need
(getting rid of virt_to_bus()-using drivers).

Re: [PATCH net-next] net: mark tulip obsolete

[Helge Deller]

Hi Jakub,

On 4/26/22 14:53, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 23:18:38 +0100 Helge Deller wrote:
>> On 3/15/22 20:04, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
>>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 19:44:24 +0100 Helge Deller wrote:
>>>> On 3/15/22 19:43, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
>>>>> It's ancient, an likely completely unused at this point.
>>>>> Let's mark it obsolete to prevent refactoring.
>>>>
>>>> NAK.
>>>>
>>>> This driver is needed by nearly all PA-RISC machines.
>>>
>>> I was just trying to steer newcomers to code that's more relevant today.
>>
>> That intention is ok, but "obsolete" means it's not used any more,
>> and that's not true.
>
> Hi Helge! Which incarnation of tulip do you need for PA-RISC, exactly?

For parisc I have:

CONFIG_NET_TULIP=y
# CONFIG_DE2104X is not set
CONFIG_TULIP=y
# CONFIG_TULIP_MWI is not set
# CONFIG_TULIP_MMIO is not set
# CONFIG_TULIP_NAPI is not set
# CONFIG_DE4X5 is not set
# CONFIG_WINBOND_840 is not set
# CONFIG_DM9102 is not set
# CONFIG_ULI526X is not set
# CONFIG_PCMCIA_XIRCOM is not set
# CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_DLINK is not set
# CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_EMULEX is not set

So not the DE4X5.

> I'd like to try to remove DE4X5, if that's not the one you need
> (getting rid of virt_to_bus()-using drivers).

I've CC'ed the linux-alpha mailing list, as the DE4X5 driver might be
needed there, so removing it completely might not be the best idea.

But since you want to remove virt_to_bus()....
It seems this virt_to_bus() call is used for really old x86 machines/cards,
which probably aren't supported any longer.

See drivers/net/ethernet/dec/tulip/de4x5.c:
...
#if !defined(__alpha__) && !defined(__powerpc__) && !defined(CONFIG_SPARC) && !defined(DE4X5_DO_MEMCPY)
...
    tmp = virt_to_bus(p->data);
...

Maybe you could simply remove the part inside #if...#else
and insert a pr_err() instead (and return NULL)?

Helge

Re: [PATCH net-next] net: mark tulip obsolete

[Jakub Kicinski]

On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 22:53:00 +0200 Helge Deller wrote:
> >> That intention is ok, but "obsolete" means it's not used any more,
> >> and that's not true.  
> >
> > Hi Helge! Which incarnation of tulip do you need for PA-RISC, exactly?  
> 
> For parisc I have:
> 
> CONFIG_NET_TULIP=y
> # CONFIG_DE2104X is not set
> CONFIG_TULIP=y
> # CONFIG_TULIP_MWI is not set
> # CONFIG_TULIP_MMIO is not set
> # CONFIG_TULIP_NAPI is not set
> # CONFIG_DE4X5 is not set
> # CONFIG_WINBOND_840 is not set
> # CONFIG_DM9102 is not set
> # CONFIG_ULI526X is not set
> # CONFIG_PCMCIA_XIRCOM is not set
> # CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_DLINK is not set
> # CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_EMULEX is not set
> 
> So not the DE4X5.
> 
> > I'd like to try to remove DE4X5, if that's not the one you need
> > (getting rid of virt_to_bus()-using drivers).  
> 
> I've CC'ed the linux-alpha mailing list, as the DE4X5 driver might be
> needed there, so removing it completely might not be the best idea.
> 
> But since you want to remove virt_to_bus()....
> It seems this virt_to_bus() call is used for really old x86 machines/cards,
> which probably aren't supported any longer.
> 
> See drivers/net/ethernet/dec/tulip/de4x5.c:
> ...
> #if !defined(__alpha__) && !defined(__powerpc__) && !defined(CONFIG_SPARC) && !defined(DE4X5_DO_MEMCPY)
> ...
>     tmp = virt_to_bus(p->data);
> ...
> 
> Maybe you could simply remove the part inside #if...#else
> and insert a pr_err() instead (and return NULL)?

Ah, good find, thanks for taking a look! I'll look into dropping just
sections of the code.