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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Cc: Joao Martins <joao.m.martins@oracle.com>,
	Yishai Hadas <yishaih@nvidia.com>,
	saeedm@nvidia.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	kuba@kernel.org, kevin.tian@intel.com, leonro@nvidia.com,
	maorg@nvidia.com, cohuck@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 vfio 05/11] vfio: Add an IOVA bitmap support
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2022 14:27:19 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220720172719.GV4609@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220720104725.19aadc5d.alex.williamson@redhat.com>

On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 10:47:25AM -0600, Alex Williamson wrote:

> As I understand it more though, does the API really fit the expected use
> cases?  As presented here and used in the following patch, we map every
> section of the user bitmap, present that section to the device driver
> and ask them to mark dirty bits and atomically clear their internal
> tracker for that sub-range.  This seems really inefficient.

I think until someone sits down and benchmarks it, it will be hard to
really tell what is the rigtht trade offs are.

pin_user_pages_fast() is fairly slow, so calling it once per 4k of
user VA is definately worse than trying to call it once for 2M of user
VA.

On the other hand very very big guests are possibly likely to have
64GB regions where there are no dirties.

But, sweeping the 64GB in the first place is possibly going to be
slow, so saving a little bit of pin_user_pages time may not matter
much.

On the other hand, cases like vIOMMU will have huge swaths of IOVA
where there just nothing mapped so perhaps sweeping for the system
IOMMU will be fast and pin_user_pages overhead will be troublesome.

Still, another view point is that returning a bitmap at all is really,
ineffecient if we expect high sparsity and we should return dirty pfns
and a simple put_user may be sufficient. It may make sense to have a
2nd API that works like this, userspace could call it during stop_copy
on the assumption of high sparsity.

We just don't have enough ecosystem going right now to sit down and do
all this benchmarking works, so I was happy with the simplistic
implementation here, it is only 160 lines, if we toss it later based
on benchmarks no biggie. The important thing was that that this
abstraction exist at all and that drivers don't do their own thing.

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-20 17:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-14  8:12 [PATCH V2 vfio 00/11] Add device DMA logging support for mlx5 driver Yishai Hadas
2022-07-14  8:12 ` [PATCH V2 vfio 01/11] net/mlx5: Introduce ifc bits for page tracker Yishai Hadas
2022-07-21  8:28   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-07-21  8:43     ` Yishai Hadas
2022-07-14  8:12 ` [PATCH V2 vfio 02/11] net/mlx5: Query ADV_VIRTUALIZATION capabilities Yishai Hadas
2022-07-14  8:12 ` [PATCH V2 vfio 03/11] vfio: Introduce DMA logging uAPIs Yishai Hadas
2022-07-18 22:29   ` Alex Williamson
2022-07-19  1:39     ` Tian, Kevin
2022-07-19  5:40       ` Kirti Wankhede
2022-07-19  7:49     ` Yishai Hadas
2022-07-19 19:57       ` Alex Williamson
2022-07-19 20:18         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-07-21  8:45   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-07-21 12:05     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-07-25  7:20       ` Tian, Kevin
2022-07-25 14:33         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-07-26  7:07           ` Tian, Kevin
     [not found]     ` <56bd06d3-944c-18da-86ed-ae14ce5940b7@nvidia.com>
2022-07-25  7:30       ` Tian, Kevin
2022-07-26  8:37         ` Yishai Hadas
2022-07-26 14:03           ` Alex Williamson
2022-07-26 15:04             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-07-28  4:05               ` Tian, Kevin
2022-07-28 12:06                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-07-29  3:01                   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-07-29 14:11                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-07-14  8:12 ` [PATCH V2 vfio 04/11] vfio: Move vfio.c to vfio_main.c Yishai Hadas
2022-07-14  8:12 ` [PATCH V2 vfio 05/11] vfio: Add an IOVA bitmap support Yishai Hadas
2022-07-18 22:30   ` Alex Williamson
2022-07-18 22:46     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-07-19 19:01   ` Alex Williamson
2022-07-20  1:57     ` Joao Martins
2022-07-20 16:47       ` Alex Williamson
2022-07-20 17:27         ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2022-07-20 18:16         ` Joao Martins
2022-07-14  8:12 ` [PATCH V2 vfio 06/11] vfio: Introduce the DMA logging feature support Yishai Hadas
2022-07-18 22:30   ` Alex Williamson
2022-07-19  9:19     ` Yishai Hadas
2022-07-19 19:25       ` Alex Williamson
2022-07-19 20:08         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-07-21  8:54           ` Tian, Kevin
2022-07-21 11:50             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-07-25  7:38               ` Tian, Kevin
2022-07-25 14:37                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-07-26  7:34                   ` Tian, Kevin
2022-07-26 15:12                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-07-14  8:12 ` [PATCH V2 vfio 07/11] vfio/mlx5: Init QP based resources for dirty tracking Yishai Hadas
2022-07-14  8:12 ` [PATCH V2 vfio 08/11] vfio/mlx5: Create and destroy page tracker object Yishai Hadas
2022-07-14  8:12 ` [PATCH V2 vfio 09/11] vfio/mlx5: Report dirty pages from tracker Yishai Hadas
2022-07-14  8:12 ` [PATCH V2 vfio 10/11] vfio/mlx5: Manage error scenarios on tracker Yishai Hadas
2022-07-14  8:12 ` [PATCH V2 vfio 11/11] vfio/mlx5: Set the driver DMA logging callbacks Yishai Hadas
2022-07-21  8:26 ` [PATCH V2 vfio 00/11] Add device DMA logging support for mlx5 driver Tian, Kevin
2022-07-21  8:55   ` Yishai Hadas

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