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From: Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@gmail.com>
To: netdev@kapio-technology.com
Cc: davem@davemloft.net, kuba@kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	Vivien Didelot <vivien.didelot@gmail.com>,
	Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>, Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>,
	Ivan Vecera <ivecera@redhat.com>, Roopa Prabhu <roopa@nvidia.com>,
	Nikolay Aleksandrov <razor@blackwall.org>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Ido Schimmel <idosch@nvidia.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, bridge@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 net-next 5/6] net: dsa: mv88e6xxx: mac-auth/MAB implementation
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2022 15:04:59 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220721120459.x6mm4coeoe4ecjfv@skbuf> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3918e3d1a8b78dedc14b950ba1eee8d5@kapio-technology.com>

On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 02:34:22PM +0200, netdev@kapio-technology.com wrote:
> > If I were to randomly guess at almost 4AM in the morning, it has to do with
> > "bridge fdb add" rather than the "bridge fdb replace" that's used for
> > the MAB selftest. The fact I pointed out a few revisions ago, that MAB
> > needs to be opt-in, is now coming back to bite us. Since it's not
> > opt-in, the mv88e6xxx driver always creates locked FDB entries, and when
> > we try to "bridge fdb add", the kernel says "hey, the FDB entry is
> > already there!". Is that it?
> 
> Yes, that sounds like a reasonable explanation, as it adds 'ext learned,
> offloaded' entries. If you try and replace the 'add' with 'replace' in those
> tests, does it work?

Well, you have access to the selftests too... But yes, that is the
reason, and it works when I change 'add' to 'replace', although of
course this isn't the correct solution.

> > As for how to opt into MAB. Hmm. MAB seems to be essentially CPU
> > assisted learning, which creates locked FDB entries. I wonder whether we
> > should reconsider the position that address learning makes no sense on
> > locked ports, and say that "+locked -learning" means no MAB, and
> > "+locked +learning" means MAB? This would make a bunch of things more
> > natural to handle in the kernel, and would also give us the opt-in we
> > need.
> 
> I have done the one and then the other. We need to have some final decision
> on this point. And remember that this gave rise to an extra patch to fix
> link-local learning if learning is turned on on a locked port, which
> resulted in the decision to allways have learning off on locked ports.

I think part of the reason for the back-and-forth was not making a very
clear distinction between basic 802.1X using hostapd, and MAB. While I
agree hostapd doesn't have what to do with learning, for MAB I'm still
wondering. It's the same situation for mv88e6xxx's Port Association
Vector in fact.

> > Side note, the VTU and ATU member violation printks annoy me so badly.
> > They aren't stating something super useful and they're a DoS attack
> > vector in itself, even if they're rate limited. I wonder whether we
> > could just turn the prints into a set of ethtool counters and call it a
> > day?
> 
> Sounds like a good idea to me. :-)

Thinking this through, what we really want is trace points here,
otherwise we'd lose information about which MAC address/VID/FID was it
that caused the violation.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-21 12:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-07 15:29 [PATCH v4 net-next 0/6] Extend locked port feature with FDB locked flag (MAC-Auth/MAB) Hans Schultz
2022-07-07 15:29 ` [PATCH v4 net-next 1/6] net: bridge: add locked entry fdb flag to extend locked port feature Hans Schultz
2022-07-10  8:20   ` Ido Schimmel
2022-07-07 15:29 ` [PATCH v4 net-next 2/6] net: switchdev: add support for offloading of fdb locked flag Hans Schultz
2022-07-08  8:54   ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-08-02  8:27     ` netdev
2022-08-02 10:13     ` netdev
2022-07-07 15:29 ` [PATCH v4 net-next 3/6] drivers: net: dsa: add locked fdb entry flag to drivers Hans Schultz
2022-07-08  7:12   ` kernel test robot
2022-07-08  8:49   ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-08  9:06     ` netdev
2022-07-08  9:15       ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-08  9:27         ` netdev
2022-07-08  9:50         ` netdev
2022-07-08 11:56           ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-08 12:34             ` netdev
2022-07-10  8:35               ` Ido Schimmel
2022-07-13  7:09                 ` netdev
2022-07-13 12:39                   ` Ido Schimmel
2022-07-17 12:21                     ` netdev
2022-07-17 12:57                       ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-17 13:09                         ` netdev
2022-07-17 13:59                           ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-17 14:57                             ` netdev
2022-07-17 15:08                               ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-17 16:10                                 ` netdev
2022-07-21 11:54                                   ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-17 15:20                       ` Ido Schimmel
2022-07-17 15:53                         ` netdev
2022-07-21 11:59                           ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-21 13:27                             ` Ido Schimmel
2022-07-21 14:20                               ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-24 11:10                                 ` Ido Schimmel
2022-08-01 11:57                                   ` netdev
2022-08-01 13:14                                   ` netdev
2022-08-02 12:54                             ` netdev
2022-08-01 15:33                     ` netdev
2022-08-09  9:20                       ` Ido Schimmel
2022-08-09 20:00                         ` netdev
2022-08-10  7:21                           ` Ido Schimmel
2022-08-10  8:40                             ` netdev
2022-08-11 11:28                               ` Ido Schimmel
2022-08-12 15:33                                 ` netdev
2022-08-16  7:51                             ` netdev
2022-08-17  6:21                               ` Ido Schimmel
2022-07-21 11:51           ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-08 20:39   ` kernel test robot
2022-07-07 15:29 ` [PATCH v4 net-next 4/6] net: dsa: mv88e6xxx: allow reading FID when handling ATU violations Hans Schultz
2022-07-07 15:29 ` [PATCH v4 net-next 5/6] net: dsa: mv88e6xxx: mac-auth/MAB implementation Hans Schultz
2022-07-08  9:46   ` kernel test robot
2022-07-17  0:47   ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-07-17 12:34     ` netdev
2022-07-21 12:04       ` Vladimir Oltean [this message]
2022-08-19  8:28     ` netdev
2022-07-07 15:29 ` [PATCH v4 net-next 6/6] selftests: forwarding: add test of MAC-Auth Bypass to locked port tests Hans Schultz
2022-07-10  7:29   ` Ido Schimmel
2022-07-12 12:28     ` netdev
2022-07-08  1:00 ` [PATCH v4 net-next 0/6] Extend locked port feature with FDB locked flag (MAC-Auth/MAB) Jakub Kicinski
2022-08-11  5:09 ` Benjamin Poirier

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