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On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 10:00:37 -0700 Eric Dumazet wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2022 at 9:58 AM Adel Abouchaev <adel.abushaev@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Looking at
> > https://github.com/shemminger/iproute2/blob/main/misc/ss.c#L589 the ss.c
> > still uses proc/.
> 
> Only for legacy reasons.

That but in all honesty also the fact that a proc file is pretty easy
and self-describing while the historic netlink families are undocumented
code salads.

> ss -t for sure will use netlink first, then fallback to /proc
> 
> New counters should use netlink, please.

Just to be sure I'm not missing anything - we're talking about some 
new netlink, right? Is there an existing place for "overall prot family
stats" over netlink today?