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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Bobby Eshleman <bobby.eshleman@gmail.com>
Cc: Bobby Eshleman <bobbyeshleman@gmail.com>,
	Bobby Eshleman <bobby.eshleman@bytedance.com>,
	Cong Wang <cong.wang@bytedance.com>,
	Jiang Wang <jiang.wang@bytedance.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	Stefano Garzarella <sgarzare@redhat.com>,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/6] vsock: add netdev to vhost/virtio vsock
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2022 06:58:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20220906065523-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5a93c5aad99d79f028d349cb7e3c128c65d5d7e2.1660362668.git.bobby.eshleman@bytedance.com>

On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 10:56:06AM -0700, Bobby Eshleman wrote:
> In order to support usage of qdisc on vsock traffic, this commit
> introduces a struct net_device to vhost and virtio vsock.
> 
> Two new devices are created, vhost-vsock for vhost and virtio-vsock
> for virtio. The devices are attached to the respective transports.
> 
> To bypass the usage of the device, the user may "down" the associated
> network interface using common tools. For example, "ip link set dev
> virtio-vsock down" lets vsock bypass the net_device and qdisc entirely,
> simply using the FIFO logic of the prior implementation.
> 
> For both hosts and guests, there is one device for all G2H vsock sockets
> and one device for all H2G vsock sockets. This makes sense for guests
> because the driver only supports a single vsock channel (one pair of
> TX/RX virtqueues), so one device and qdisc fits. For hosts, this may not
> seem ideal for some workloads. However, it is possible to use a
> multi-queue qdisc, where a given queue is responsible for a range of
> sockets. This seems to be a better solution than having one device per
> socket, which may yield a very large number of devices and qdiscs, all
> of which are dynamically being created and destroyed. Because of this
> dynamism, it would also require a complex policy management daemon, as
> devices would constantly be spun up and down as sockets were created and
> destroyed. To avoid this, one device and qdisc also applies to all H2G
> sockets.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Bobby Eshleman <bobby.eshleman@bytedance.com>


I've been thinking about this generally. vsock currently
assumes reliability, but with qdisc can't we get
packet drops e.g. depending on the queueing?

What prevents user from configuring such a discipline?
One thing people like about vsock is that it's very hard
to break H2G communication even with misconfigured
networking.

-- 
MST


  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-09-06 10:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-15 17:56 [PATCH 0/6] virtio/vsock: introduce dgrams, sk_buff, and qdisc Bobby Eshleman
2022-08-15 17:56 ` [PATCH 1/6] vsock: replace virtio_vsock_pkt with sk_buff Bobby Eshleman
2022-08-16  2:30   ` Bobby Eshleman
2022-08-15 17:56 ` [PATCH 2/6] vsock: return errors other than -ENOMEM to socket Bobby Eshleman
2022-08-15 20:01   ` kernel test robot
2022-08-15 23:13   ` kernel test robot
2022-08-16  2:16   ` kernel test robot
2022-08-16  2:30   ` Bobby Eshleman
2022-08-17  5:28     ` [virtio-dev] " Arseniy Krasnov
2022-09-26 13:21   ` Stefano Garzarella
2022-09-26 21:30     ` Bobby Eshleman
2022-08-15 17:56 ` [PATCH 3/6] vsock: add netdev to vhost/virtio vsock Bobby Eshleman
2022-08-16  2:31   ` Bobby Eshleman
2022-08-16 16:38   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-08-16  6:18     ` Bobby Eshleman
2022-08-16 18:07     ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-08-16  7:02       ` Bobby Eshleman
2022-08-16 23:07         ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-08-16  8:29           ` Bobby Eshleman
2022-08-17  1:15             ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-08-16 10:50               ` Bobby Eshleman
2022-08-17 17:20                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-08-18  4:34                   ` Jason Wang
2022-08-17  1:23           ` [External] " Cong Wang .
2022-09-06 10:58   ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2022-08-18 14:20     ` Bobby Eshleman
2022-08-15 17:56 ` [PATCH 4/6] virtio/vsock: add VIRTIO_VSOCK_F_DGRAM feature bit Bobby Eshleman
2022-08-16  2:31   ` Bobby Eshleman
2022-09-26 13:17   ` Stefano Garzarella
2022-09-26 21:52     ` Bobby Eshleman
2022-08-15 17:56 ` [PATCH 5/6] virtio/vsock: add support for dgram Bobby Eshleman
2022-08-15 21:02   ` kernel test robot
2022-08-16  2:32   ` Bobby Eshleman
2022-08-17  5:01     ` [virtio-dev] " Arseniy Krasnov
2022-08-16  9:57       ` Bobby Eshleman
2022-08-18  8:24         ` Arseniy Krasnov
2022-08-17  5:42       ` Arseniy Krasnov
2022-08-16  9:58         ` Bobby Eshleman
2022-08-18  8:35           ` Arseniy Krasnov
2022-08-16 20:52             ` Bobby Eshleman
2022-08-19  4:30               ` Arseniy Krasnov
2022-08-15 17:56 ` [PATCH 6/6] vsock_test: add tests for vsock dgram Bobby Eshleman
2022-08-16  2:32   ` Bobby Eshleman
2022-08-15 20:39 ` [PATCH 0/6] virtio/vsock: introduce dgrams, sk_buff, and qdisc Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-08-16  1:55   ` Bobby Eshleman
2022-08-16  2:29 ` Bobby Eshleman
     [not found] ` <CAGxU2F7+L-UiNPtUm4EukOgTVJ1J6Orqs1LMvhWWvfL9zWb23g@mail.gmail.com>
2022-08-16  2:35   ` Bobby Eshleman
2022-08-17  6:54 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-08-16  9:42   ` Bobby Eshleman
2022-08-17 17:02     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-08-16 11:08       ` Bobby Eshleman
2022-08-17 17:53         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-08-16 12:10           ` Bobby Eshleman
2022-08-18  4:28   ` Jason Wang
2022-09-06  9:00     ` Stefano Garzarella
2022-09-06 13:26 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-08-18 14:39   ` Bobby Eshleman
2022-09-08  8:30     ` Stefano Garzarella
2022-09-08 14:36     ` Call to discuss vsock netdev/sk_buff [was Re: [PATCH 0/6] virtio/vsock: introduce dgrams, sk_buff, and qdisc] Stefano Garzarella
2022-09-09 18:13       ` Bobby Eshleman
2022-09-12 18:12         ` Stefano Garzarella
2022-09-09 23:33           ` Bobby Eshleman
2022-09-16  3:51             ` Stefano Garzarella
2022-09-10 16:29               ` Bobby Eshleman
2022-09-26 13:42 ` [PATCH 0/6] virtio/vsock: introduce dgrams, sk_buff, and qdisc Stefano Garzarella
2022-09-26 21:44   ` Bobby Eshleman
2022-09-27 17:45   ` Stefano Garzarella

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