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From: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
Cc: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Christophe Leroy <christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next] once: add DO_ONCE_SLOW() for sleepable contexts
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2022 07:38:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20221002053812.GA18978@1wt.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YzjEPq6owOKBACj3@zx2c4.com>

On Sun, Oct 02, 2022 at 12:50:38AM +0200, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
> > > This patch adds DO_ONCE_SLOW() which uses a mutex instead of a spinlock
> > > for operations where we prefer to stay in process context.
> > 
> > That's a nice improvement I think. I was wondering if, for this special
> > case, we *really* need an exclusive DO_ONCE(). I mean, we're getting
> > random bytes, we really do not care if two CPUs change them in parallel
> > provided that none uses them before the table is entirely filled. Thus
> > that could probably end up as something like:
> > 
> >     if (!atomic_read(&done)) {
> >         get_random_bytes(array);
> >         atomic_set(&done, 1);
> >     }
> 
> If you don't care about the tables being consistent between CPUs, then
> yea, sure, that seems like a reasonable approach, and I like not
> polluting once.{c,h} with some _SLOW() special cases.

I don't see this as pollution, it possibly is a nice addition for certain
use cases or early fast paths where the risk of contention is high.

> If you don't want
> the atomic read in there you could also do the same pattern with a
> static branch, like what DO_ONCE() does:
> 
>    if (static_branch_unlikely(&need_bytes)) {
>       get_random_bytes(array);
>       static_branch_disable(&need_bytes);
>    }
> 
> Anyway, same thing as your suggestion more or less.

What I don't know in fact is if the code patching itself can be
responsible for a measurable part of the extra time Christophe noticed.
Anyway at least Christophe now has a few approaches to try, let's first
see if any of them fixes the regression.

Willy

  reply	other threads:[~2022-10-02  5:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-01 20:51 [PATCH net-next] once: add DO_ONCE_SLOW() for sleepable contexts Eric Dumazet
2022-10-01 21:15 ` Willy Tarreau
2022-10-01 22:50   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-10-02  5:38     ` Willy Tarreau [this message]
2022-10-01 22:44 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-10-01 22:50   ` Eric Dumazet
2022-10-03 17:25   ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-10-03 17:43     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-10-03 18:14       ` [PATCH] once: rename _SLOW to _SLEEPABLE Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-10-03 18:14         ` [PATCH net-next] " Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-10-03 22:50         ` [PATCH] " Eric Dumazet
2022-10-02  8:58 ` [PATCH net-next] once: add DO_ONCE_SLOW() for sleepable contexts Christophe Leroy
2022-10-03 12:40 ` patchwork-bot+netdevbpf

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