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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>
Cc: Jacob Keller <jacob.e.keller@intel.com>,
	Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>,
	davem@davemloft.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org, edumazet@google.com,
	pabeni@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 7/9] devlink: allow registering parameters after the instance
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2023 11:20:21 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230112112021.0ff88cdb@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y7+xv6gKaU+Horrk@unreal>

On Thu, 12 Jan 2023 09:07:43 +0200 Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> As a user, I don't want to see any late dynamic object addition which is
> not triggered by me explicitly. As it doesn't make any sense to add
> various delays per-vendor/kernel in configuration scripts just because
> not everything is ready. Users need predictability, lazy addition of
> objects adds chaos instead.
> 
> Agree with Jakub, it is anti-pattern.

To be clear my preference would be to always construct the three from
the root. Register the main instance, then sub-objects. I mean - you
tried forcing the opposite order and it only succeeded in 90-something
percent of cases. There's always special cases.

I don't understand your concern about user experience here. We have
notifications for each sub-object. Plus I think drivers should hold 
the instance lock throughout the probe routine. I don't see a scenario
in which registering the main instance first would lead to retry/sleep
hacks in user space, do you? I'm talking about devlink and the subobjs
we have specifically.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-01-12 19:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-06  6:33 [PATCH net-next 0/9] devlink: remove the wait-for-references on unregister Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-06  6:33 ` [PATCH net-next 1/9] devlink: bump the instance index directly when iterating Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-06 12:17   ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-06  6:33 ` [PATCH net-next 2/9] devlink: update the code in netns move to latest helpers Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-06  6:33 ` [PATCH net-next 3/9] devlink: protect devlink->dev by the instance lock Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-06 12:18   ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-06  6:33 ` [PATCH net-next 4/9] devlink: always check if the devlink instance is registered Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-06 12:41   ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-06 17:03   ` Jacob Keller
2023-01-06 21:19     ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-07  9:05       ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-06  6:33 ` [PATCH net-next 5/9] devlink: remove the registration guarantee of references Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-06 12:42   ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-06  6:33 ` [PATCH net-next 6/9] devlink: don't require setting features before registration Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-06 12:43   ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-06  6:34 ` [PATCH net-next 7/9] devlink: allow registering parameters after the instance Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-06 12:55   ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-06 21:22     ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-07  9:20       ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-10  0:21       ` Jacob Keller
2023-01-10 16:35         ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-10 20:22           ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-11  9:32             ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-11 16:45               ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-11 21:29                 ` Jacob Keller
2023-01-12  7:07                   ` Leon Romanovsky
2023-01-12 14:59                     ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-12 19:58                       ` Leon Romanovsky
2023-01-13  7:50                         ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-15  8:35                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2023-01-16 10:33                             ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-16 11:25                               ` Leon Romanovsky
2023-01-12 19:20                     ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2023-01-12 20:09                       ` Leon Romanovsky
2023-01-12 22:44                         ` Jacob Keller
2023-01-13  6:45                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2023-01-13  7:53                             ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-11 13:21   ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-06  6:34 ` [PATCH net-next 8/9] netdevsim: rename a label Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-06 12:56   ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-06  6:34 ` [PATCH net-next 9/9] netdevsim: move devlink registration under the instance lock Jakub Kicinski
2023-01-06 15:49   ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-06 13:10 ` [PATCH net-next 0/9] devlink: remove the wait-for-references on unregister patchwork-bot+netdevbpf
2023-01-06 15:49 ` Jiri Pirko
2023-01-06 17:06 ` Jacob Keller

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