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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Shannon Nelson <shannon.nelson@amd.com>
Cc: Pavan Kumar Linga <pavan.kumar.linga@intel.com>,
	intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	shiraz.saleem@intel.com, emil.s.tantilov@intel.com,
	willemb@google.com, decot@google.com, joshua.a.hay@intel.com,
	sridhar.samudrala@intel.com, Alan Brady <alan.brady@intel.com>,
	Madhu Chittim <madhu.chittim@intel.com>,
	Phani Burra <phani.r.burra@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH net-next 01/15] virtchnl: add virtchnl version 2 ops
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2023 16:30:25 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230403163025.5f40a87c@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <eb945338-915a-64cd-52c5-3d818ba45667@amd.com>

On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 15:54:33 -0700 Shannon Nelson wrote:
> > The noise about this driver being "a standard" is quite confusing.
> > 
> > Are you considering implementing any of it?
> > 
> > I haven't heard of anyone who is yet, so I thought all this talk of
> > a standard is pretty empty from the technical perspective :(  
> 
> Just that they seem to be pushing it to become a standard through OASIS,
> as they infer by pointing to their OASIS docs in this patch, and I was 
> under the (mistaken?) impression that this would be the One Driver for 
> any device that implemented the HW/FW interface, kinda like virtio.  If 
> that's true, then why would the driver live under the Intel directory?

Fair point. But standards are generally defined by getting interested
parties together and agreeing. Not by a vendor taking a barely deployed
implementation to some unfamiliar forum and claiming it's a standard.

I think it should be 100% clear that to netdev this is just another
(yet another?) Ethernet driver from Intel, nothing more.
Maybe I should say this more strongly, given certain rumors... Here:

Reviewing / merging of this driver into the tree should not be
interpreted as netdev recognizing or supporting idpf as any sort
of a standard. This is our position until the driver is in fact
adopted by other vendors. Attempts to misrepresent our position 
and any claims that merging of this *vendor driver* constitutes 
adoption of the standard will result in removal of the driver.


Is that helpful? There seems to be a lot of FUD around IDPF.
I'd prefer to stay out of it.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-03 23:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-29 14:03 [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH net-next 00/15] Introduce IDPF driver Pavan Kumar Linga
2023-03-29 14:03 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH net-next 01/15] virtchnl: add virtchnl version 2 ops Pavan Kumar Linga
2023-03-31 15:25   ` Simon Horman
2023-04-03 22:01   ` Shannon Nelson
2023-04-03 22:20     ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-04-03 22:54       ` Shannon Nelson
2023-04-03 23:30         ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2023-04-04  7:59         ` Orr, Michael
2023-04-04 16:25           ` Shannon Nelson
2023-04-04 19:41       ` Orr, Michael
2023-04-10 20:27     ` Linga, Pavan Kumar
2023-04-10 22:12       ` Shannon Nelson
2023-04-12 16:58         ` Tantilov, Emil S
2023-04-12 21:36           ` Shannon Nelson
2023-04-13 18:54             ` Tantilov, Emil S
2023-04-13 21:03               ` Shannon Nelson
2023-03-29 14:03 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH net-next 02/15] idpf: add module register and probe functionality Pavan Kumar Linga
2023-03-29 14:03 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH net-next 03/15] idpf: add controlq init and reset checks Pavan Kumar Linga
2023-03-29 14:03 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH net-next 04/15] idpf: add core init and interrupt request Pavan Kumar Linga
2023-03-31 15:39   ` Simon Horman
2023-03-29 14:03 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH net-next 05/15] idpf: add create vport and netdev configuration Pavan Kumar Linga
2023-03-31 15:46   ` Simon Horman
2023-03-29 14:03 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH net-next 06/15] idpf: continue expanding init task Pavan Kumar Linga
2023-03-31 15:47   ` Simon Horman
2023-03-29 14:03 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH net-next 07/15] idpf: configure resources for TX queues Pavan Kumar Linga
2023-03-31 15:49   ` Simon Horman
2023-03-29 14:03 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH net-next 08/15] idpf: configure resources for RX queues Pavan Kumar Linga
2023-03-29 14:03 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH net-next 09/15] idpf: initialize interrupts and enable vport Pavan Kumar Linga
2023-03-31 15:59   ` Simon Horman
2023-04-04 19:36     ` Linga, Pavan Kumar
2023-04-05 10:07       ` Simon Horman
2023-03-29 14:03 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH net-next 10/15] idpf: add splitq start_xmit Pavan Kumar Linga
2023-03-29 14:04 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH net-next 11/15] idpf: add TX splitq napi poll support Pavan Kumar Linga
2023-03-29 14:04 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH net-next 12/15] idpf: add RX " Pavan Kumar Linga
2023-03-30 16:23   ` Maciej Fijalkowski
2023-04-05  0:51     ` Tantilov, Emil S
2023-03-29 14:04 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH net-next 13/15] idpf: add singleq start_xmit and napi poll Pavan Kumar Linga
2023-03-29 14:04 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH net-next 14/15] idpf: add ethtool callbacks Pavan Kumar Linga
2023-03-29 15:33   ` Andrew Lunn
2023-03-30 22:05     ` Linga, Pavan Kumar
2023-03-29 14:04 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH net-next 15/15] idpf: configure SRIOV and add other ndo_ops Pavan Kumar Linga
2023-03-29 15:41 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH net-next 00/15] Introduce IDPF driver Paul Menzel
2023-03-30 21:31   ` Linga, Pavan Kumar
2023-03-29 17:31 ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-03-30 12:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-03-30 17:25   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-03-30 18:29     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-04-03 21:36       ` Samudrala, Sridhar
2023-04-04 16:42         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-04-04 19:19           ` Orr, Michael
2023-04-04 23:35             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-04-07  4:39         ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-04-07 18:01           ` Shannon Nelson

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