From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
Cc: John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
Donald Hunter <donald.hunter@gmail.com>,
Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@google.com>, bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
Song Liu <song@kernel.org>, Yonghong Song <yhs@fb.com>,
KP Singh <kpsingh@kernel.org>, Hao Luo <haoluo@google.com>,
Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>,
Network Development <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC bpf-next v2 11/11] net/mlx5e: Support TX timestamp metadata
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2023 14:38:34 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230624143834.26c5b5e8@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAADnVQKUVDEg12jOc=5iKmfN-aHvFEtvFKVEDBFsmZizwkXT4w@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 19:52:03 -0700 Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> That's pretty much what I'm suggesting.
> Add two driver specific __weak nop hook points where necessary
> with few driver specific kfuncs.
> Don't build generic infra when it's too early to generalize.
>
> It would mean that bpf progs will be driver specific,
> but when something novel like this is being proposed it's better
> to start with minimal code change to core kernel (ideally none)
> and when common things are found then generalize.
>
> Sounds like Stanislav use case is timestamps in TX
> while Donald's are checksums on RX, TX. These use cases are too different.
> To make HW TX checksum compute checksum driven by AF_XDP
> a lot more needs to be done than what Stan is proposing for timestamps.
I'd think HW TX csum is actually simpler than dealing with time,
will you change your mind if Stan posts Tx csum within a few days? :)
The set of offloads is barely changing, the lack of clarity
on what is needed seems overstated. IMHO AF_XDP is getting no use
today, because everything remotely complex was stripped out of
the implementation to get it merged. Aren't we hand waving the
complexity away simply because we don't want to deal with it?
These are the features today's devices support (rx/tx is a mirror):
- L4 csum
- segmentation
- time reporting
Some may also support:
- forwarding md tagging
- Tx launch time
- no fcs
Legacy / irrelevant:
- VLAN insertion
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-06-24 21:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-06-21 17:02 [RFC bpf-next v2 00/11] bpf: Netdev TX metadata Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-21 17:02 ` [RFC bpf-next v2 01/11] bpf: Rename some xdp-metadata functions into dev-bound Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-21 17:02 ` [RFC bpf-next v2 02/11] bpf: Resolve single typedef when walking structs Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-22 5:17 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-06-22 17:55 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-21 17:02 ` [RFC bpf-next v2 04/11] bpf: Implement devtx hook points Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-21 17:02 ` [RFC bpf-next v2 05/11] bpf: Implement devtx timestamp kfunc Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-22 12:07 ` Jesper D. Brouer
2023-06-22 17:55 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-21 17:02 ` [RFC bpf-next v2 06/11] net: veth: Implement devtx timestamp kfuncs Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-23 23:29 ` Vinicius Costa Gomes
2023-06-26 17:00 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-26 22:00 ` Vinicius Costa Gomes
2023-06-26 23:29 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-27 1:38 ` Vinicius Costa Gomes
2023-06-21 17:02 ` [RFC bpf-next v2 09/11] selftests/bpf: Extend xdp_metadata with devtx kfuncs Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-23 11:12 ` Jesper D. Brouer
2023-06-23 17:40 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-21 17:02 ` [RFC bpf-next v2 10/11] selftests/bpf: Extend xdp_hw_metadata " Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-21 17:02 ` [RFC bpf-next v2 11/11] net/mlx5e: Support TX timestamp metadata Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-22 19:57 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-06-22 20:13 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-22 21:47 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-06-22 22:13 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-23 2:35 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-06-23 10:16 ` Maryam Tahhan
2023-06-23 16:32 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-06-23 17:47 ` Maryam Tahhan
2023-06-23 17:24 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-23 18:57 ` Donald Hunter
2023-06-24 0:25 ` John Fastabend
2023-06-24 2:52 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-06-24 21:38 ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2023-06-25 1:12 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-26 21:36 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-26 22:37 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-06-26 23:29 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-27 13:35 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-06-27 21:43 ` John Fastabend
2023-06-27 22:56 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-06-27 23:33 ` John Fastabend
2023-06-27 23:50 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-06-28 18:52 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-06-29 11:43 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2023-06-30 18:54 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-01 0:52 ` John Fastabend
2023-07-01 3:11 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-07-03 18:30 ` John Fastabend
2023-07-03 19:33 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-06-22 8:41 ` [RFC bpf-next v2 00/11] bpf: Netdev TX metadata Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2023-06-22 17:55 ` Stanislav Fomichev
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