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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Sabrina Dubroca <sd@queasysnail.net>
Cc: Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	davem@davemloft.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org, edumazet@google.com,
	mkubecek@suse.cz, lorenzo@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 1/2] net: store netdevs in an xarray
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 12:45:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230725124559.1dc930cd@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZMAMY0MTj7PbJazi@hog>

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 19:54:43 +0200 Sabrina Dubroca wrote:
> > > And if that's not enough we can make the iteration index ulong 
> > > (i.e. something separate from ifindex as ifindex is hardwired to 31b
> > > by uAPI).  
> > 
> > We can get the create, delete ordering with this or the list, but the
> > inverse theoretical case of delete, create ordering can't be covered.
> > A case where user wants to make sure at most one device is visible.
> > 
> > I'm not sure how much we should care about this. The basic hash table
> > had the very real problem of hiding devices which were there *before
> > and after* the dump.
> > 
> > Inconsistent info on devices which were created / deleted *during* the
> > dump seems to me like something that's best handled with notifications.
> > 
> > I'm not sure whether we should set the inconsistency mark on the dump
> > when del/add operation happened in the meantime either, as 
> > the probability that the user space will care is minuscule.  
> 
> The inconsistent dump mark may be more relevant for changes in device
> properties than link creation/removal. If the MTU on 2 devices changes
> while the dump is running (one low ifindex, one high ifindex), we'll
> see the old MTU for the first device and the new MTU for the 2nd. Or
> by adding/removing bridge ports while the dump runs, I can make it
> look like bridge0 has mulitple ports with the same port_no.
> 
> I don't know how likely those cases are, but if they happen I think
> they'd be more confusing than a missing/extra device.

I believe that for netdevs dev_base_seq_inc() is used to indicate 
a change. It's only called when listing / unlisting devices so
the changes to device config are already not covered :(

  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-25 19:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-22  1:42 [PATCH net-next 0/2] net: store netdevs in an xarray Jakub Kicinski
2023-07-22  1:42 ` [PATCH net-next 1/2] " Jakub Kicinski
2023-07-22  1:47   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-07-24  8:18   ` Paolo Abeni
2023-07-24 15:41     ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-07-24 16:23       ` Paolo Abeni
2023-07-24 17:27         ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-07-24 19:07           ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-07-25 11:11             ` Paolo Abeni
2023-07-25 16:56               ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-07-25 17:54             ` Sabrina Dubroca
2023-07-25 19:45               ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2023-07-24 19:09   ` Leon Romanovsky
2023-07-22  1:42 ` [PATCH net-next 2/2] net: convert some netlink netdev iterators to depend on the xarray Jakub Kicinski
2023-07-24 15:28 ` [PATCH net-next 0/2] net: store netdevs in an xarray Simon Horman

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