From: Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>
To: Dust Li <dust.li@linux.alibaba.com>
Cc: Alexandra Winter <wintera@linux.ibm.com>,
Albert Huang <huangjie.albert@bytedance.com>,
Karsten Graul <kgraul@linux.ibm.com>,
Wenjia Zhang <wenjia@linux.ibm.com>,
Jan Karcher <jaka@linux.ibm.com>,
"D. Wythe" <alibuda@linux.alibaba.com>,
Tony Lu <tonylu@linux.alibaba.com>,
Wen Gu <guwen@linux.alibaba.com>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
RDMA mailing list <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next] net/smc: add support for netdevice in containers.
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2023 20:30:06 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230926173006.GN1642130@unreal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230926120903.GD92403@linux.alibaba.com>
On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 08:09:03PM +0800, Dust Li wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 02:41:04PM +0300, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> >On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 01:14:04PM +0200, Alexandra Winter wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 26.09.23 12:48, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> >> > This patch made me wonder, why doesn't SMC use RDMA-CM like all other
> >> > in-kernel ULPs which work over RDMA?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >>
> >> The idea behind SMC is that it should look an feel to the applications
> >> like TCP sockets. So for connection management it uses TCP over IP;
> >> RDMA is just used for the data transfer.
> >
> >I think that it is not different from other ULPs. For example, RDS works
> >over sockets and doesn't touch or reimplement GID management logic.
>
> I think the difference is SMC socket need to be compatible with TCP
> socket, so it need a tcp socket to fallback when something is not working.
>
> If SMC works with rdmacm, it still need a fallback-to-tcp socket, and
> the tcp connection has to be established for each SMC socket before the
> SMC socket got established, that would make rdmacm meaningless.
You still need to perform device-GID-route translations [1], which sounds
to me very RDMA-CM. I'm not asking you to rewrite the code, but trying
to get rationale behind reimplementing part of RDMA subsystem.
Thanks
[1] 24fb68111d45 ("net/smc: retrieve v2 gid from IB device")
>
> Best regards,
> Dust
>
> >
> >Thanks
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-09-26 17:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-09-25 2:35 [PATCH net-next] net/smc: add support for netdevice in containers Albert Huang
2023-09-26 10:48 ` Leon Romanovsky
2023-09-26 11:14 ` Alexandra Winter
2023-09-26 11:41 ` Leon Romanovsky
2023-09-26 12:09 ` Dust Li
2023-09-26 17:30 ` Leon Romanovsky [this message]
2023-09-27 3:42 ` Dust Li
2023-09-27 5:55 ` Leon Romanovsky
2023-09-27 12:17 ` Dust Li
2023-09-28 9:51 ` Leon Romanovsky
2023-09-28 3:11 ` [External] " 黄杰
2023-10-03 10:41 ` Paolo Abeni
2023-10-03 13:26 ` Dust Li
2023-09-28 15:04 ` Niklas Schnelle
2023-10-11 14:48 ` Dust Li
2023-10-12 12:17 ` Dust Li
2023-10-12 19:23 ` Wenjia Zhang
2023-10-13 8:04 ` Niklas Schnelle
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