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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, pabeni@redhat.com, davem@davemloft.net,
	edumazet@google.com, gal@nvidia.com
Subject: Re: [patch net-next] devlink: don't take instance lock for nested handle put
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2023 07:48:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231006074842.4908ead4@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZR+1mc/BEDjNQy9A@nanopsycho>

On Fri, 6 Oct 2023 09:22:01 +0200 Jiri Pirko wrote:
> Fri, Oct 06, 2023 at 03:30:29AM CEST, kuba@kernel.org wrote:
> >> @@ -310,6 +299,7 @@ static void devlink_release(struct work_struct *work)
> >>  
> >>  	mutex_destroy(&devlink->lock);
> >>  	lockdep_unregister_key(&devlink->lock_key);
> >> +	put_device(devlink->dev);  
> >
> >IDK.. holding references until all references are gone may lead 
> >to reference cycles :(  
> 
> I don't follow. What seems to be the problematic flow? I can't spot any
> reference cycle, do you?

I can't remember to be honest. But we already assume that we can access
struct device of a devlink instance without holding the instance lock.
Because the relationship between devlink objects is usually fairly
straightforward and non-cyclical.

Isn't the "rel infrastructure"... well.. over-designed?

The user creates a port on an instance A, which spawns instance B.
Instance A links instance B to itself.
Instance A cannot disappear before instance B disappears.
Also instance A is what controls the destruction of instance B
so it can unlink it.

We can tell lockdep how the locks nest, too.

> >Overall I feel like recording the references on the objects will be
> >an endless source of locking pain. Would it be insane if we held 
> >the relationships as independent objects? Not as attributes of either
> >side?   
> 
> How exactly do you envision this? rel struct would hold the bus/name
> strings direcly?

No exactly, if we want bi-directional relationships we can create 
the link struct as a:

rel {
	u32 rel_id;
	struct devlink *instanceA, *instanceB; // hold reference
	struct list_head rel_listA, rel_listB; // under instance locks
	u32 state;
	struct list_head ntf_process_queue;
}

Operations on relationship can take the instance locks (sequentially).
Notifications from a workqueue.
Instance dumps would only report rel IDs, but the get the "members" of
the relationship user needs to issue a separate DL command / syscall.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-06 14:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-03  7:43 [patch net-next] devlink: don't take instance lock for nested handle put Jiri Pirko
2023-10-06  1:30 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-10-06  7:22   ` Jiri Pirko
2023-10-06 14:48     ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2023-10-06 17:07       ` Jiri Pirko
2023-10-06 22:14         ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-10-07 10:17           ` Jiri Pirko
2023-10-09 15:15             ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-10-09 15:37               ` Jiri Pirko
2023-10-09 16:31                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-10-10  7:31                   ` Jiri Pirko
2023-10-10 14:52                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-10-10 15:56                       ` Jiri Pirko
2023-10-10 18:16                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-10-11 13:34                           ` Jiri Pirko
2023-10-12  0:20                             ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-10-12  6:14                               ` Jiri Pirko
2023-10-13 15:39                                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-10-13 17:07                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2023-10-13 20:01                                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-10-15 11:12                                       ` Jiri Pirko

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