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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, pabeni@redhat.com, davem@davemloft.net,
	edumazet@google.com, gal@nvidia.com
Subject: Re: [patch net-next] devlink: don't take instance lock for nested handle put
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2023 13:01:00 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231013130100.0d08fb97@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZSl5OS7bFsg/ahCK@nanopsycho>

On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 19:07:05 +0200 Jiri Pirko wrote:
> >> Not sure what obvious bug you mean. If you mean the parent-child
> >> lifetime change, I don't know how that would help here. I don't see how.
> >> 
> >> Plus it has performance implications. When user removes SF port under
> >> instance lock, the SF itself is removed asynchonously out of the lock.
> >> You suggest to remove it synchronously holding the instance lock,
> >> correct?   
> >
> >The SF is deleted by calling ->port_del() on the PF instance, correct?  
> 
> That or setting opstate "inactive".

The opstate also set on the port (i.e. from the PF), right?

> >> SF removal does not need that lock. Removing thousands of SFs
> >> would take much longer as currently, they are removed in parallel.
> >> You would serialize the removals for no good reason.  
> >
> >First of all IDK what the removal rate you're targeting is, and what
> >is achievable under PF's lock. Handwaving "we need parallelism" without
> >data is not a serious argument.  
> 
> Oh there are data and there is a need. My colleagues are working
> on parallel creation/removal within mlx5 driver as we speak. What you
> suggest would be huge setback :/

The only part that needs to be synchronous is un-linking.
Once the SF is designated for destruction we can live without the link,
it's just waiting to be garbage-collected.

> >> Not sure what you mean by that. Locking is quite clear. Why weird?
> >> What's weird exactly? What do you mean by "random dependencies"?
> >> 
> >> I have to say I feel we got a bit lost in the conversation.  
> >
> >You have a rel object, which is refcounted, xarray with a lock, and 
> >an async work for notifications.  
> 
> Yes. The async work for notification is something you would need anyway,
> even with object lifetime change you suggest. It's about locking order.

I don't think I would. If linking is always done under PF's lock we can
safely send any ntf.

> Please see the patchset I sent today (v3), I did put in a documentation
> describing that (3 last patches). That should make it clear.

It's unnecessarily complicated, but whatever, I'm not touching it.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-13 20:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-03  7:43 [patch net-next] devlink: don't take instance lock for nested handle put Jiri Pirko
2023-10-06  1:30 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-10-06  7:22   ` Jiri Pirko
2023-10-06 14:48     ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-10-06 17:07       ` Jiri Pirko
2023-10-06 22:14         ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-10-07 10:17           ` Jiri Pirko
2023-10-09 15:15             ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-10-09 15:37               ` Jiri Pirko
2023-10-09 16:31                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-10-10  7:31                   ` Jiri Pirko
2023-10-10 14:52                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-10-10 15:56                       ` Jiri Pirko
2023-10-10 18:16                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-10-11 13:34                           ` Jiri Pirko
2023-10-12  0:20                             ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-10-12  6:14                               ` Jiri Pirko
2023-10-13 15:39                                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-10-13 17:07                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2023-10-13 20:01                                     ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2023-10-15 11:12                                       ` Jiri Pirko

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