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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 20:33:14 +0200
From: Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>, Saeed Mahameed <saeed@kernel.org>,
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	Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@nvidia.com>, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	Tariq Toukan <tariqt@nvidia.com>, Jianbo Liu <jianbol@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [net 09/15] net/mlx5e: Forbid devlink reload if IPSec rules are
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On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 07:53:32PM -0800, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 13:28:32 +0200 Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> > Unfortunately not, we (mlx5) were forced by employer of one of
> > the netdev maintainers to keep uplink netdev in devlink reload
> > while we are in eswitch.
> 
> The way you phrased this makes it sound like employers of netdev
> maintainers get to exert power over this community.
> 
> This is an unacceptable insinuation.

It will be much beneficial if you stop to seek extra level of meanings
in our conversations. There are differences in our ability to express
and feel intent in English language.

> 
> DEVLINK_RELOAD_LIMIT_NO_RESET should not cause link loss, sure.
> Even if Meta required that you implemented that (which it does
> not, AFAIK) - it's just an upstream API.

Excellent.