[PATCH net 0/2] ISDN/mISDN maintenanceship cleanup

[PATCH net 0/2] ISDN/mISDN maintenanceship cleanup

[Bagas Sanjaya]

When I'm looking at simple typofix against ISDN subsystem [1], I find
out more about subsystem activity. It turns out that the subsystem
maintainer has been inactive since 3 years ago. And also, when I test
sending "Lorem ipsum" message to the subsystem mailing list, it gets
bounced.

Update MAINTAINERS to reflect above.

Bagas Sanjaya (2):
  MAINTAINERS: Remove Karsten Keil
  MAINTAINERS: Remove isdn4linux@listserv.isdn4linux.de mailing list

 CREDITS     | 4 ++++
 MAINTAINERS | 8 ++------
 2 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)


base-commit: b414020fed42b274946aae28becf45ff156bbd2e
-- 
An old man doll... just what I always wanted! - Clara

[PATCH net 1/2] MAINTAINERS: Remove Karsten Keil

[Bagas Sanjaya]

He's no longer active maintaining ISDN/mISDN subsystem: his last message
on kernel mailing lists was three years ago [1] and last commit activity
from him was 1e1589ad8b5cb5 ("mISDN: Support DR6 indication in mISDNipac
driver") in 2016 when he gave Acked-by: from his @b1-systems.de address.

Move him to CREDITS, as netdev people should already handle ISDN/mISDN
patches.

Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/0ee243a9-9937-ad26-0684-44b18e772662@linux-pingi.de/ [1]
Cc: Karsten Keil <isdn@linux-pingi.de>
Cc: Karsten Keil <keil@b1-systems.de>
Signed-off-by: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>
---
 CREDITS     | 4 ++++
 MAINTAINERS | 6 ++----
 2 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)

diff --git a/CREDITS b/CREDITS
index 81845c39e3cf37..aeb30bb77f06be 100644
--- a/CREDITS
+++ b/CREDITS
@@ -1936,6 +1936,10 @@ S: Botanicka' 68a
 S: 602 00 Brno
 S: Czech Republic
 
+N: Karsten Keil
+E: <isdn@linux-pingi.de>
+D: ISDN/mISDN subsystem maintainer
+
 N: Jakob Kemi
 E: jakob.kemi@telia.com
 D: V4L W9966 Webcam driver
diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
index d8360788467843..fab95e0258e799 100644
--- a/MAINTAINERS
+++ b/MAINTAINERS
@@ -11238,10 +11238,9 @@ T:	git git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/nab/target-pending.git mast
 F:	drivers/infiniband/ulp/isert
 
 ISDN/CMTP OVER BLUETOOTH
-M:	Karsten Keil <isdn@linux-pingi.de>
 L:	isdn4linux@listserv.isdn4linux.de (subscribers-only)
 L:	netdev@vger.kernel.org
-S:	Odd Fixes
+S:	Orphan
 W:	http://www.isdn4linux.de
 F:	Documentation/isdn/
 F:	drivers/isdn/capi/
@@ -11250,10 +11249,9 @@ F:	include/uapi/linux/isdn/
 F:	net/bluetooth/cmtp/
 
 ISDN/mISDN SUBSYSTEM
-M:	Karsten Keil <isdn@linux-pingi.de>
 L:	isdn4linux@listserv.isdn4linux.de (subscribers-only)
 L:	netdev@vger.kernel.org
-S:	Maintained
+S:	Orphan
 W:	http://www.isdn4linux.de
 F:	drivers/isdn/Kconfig
 F:	drivers/isdn/Makefile
-- 
An old man doll... just what I always wanted! - Clara

[PATCH net 2/2] MAINTAINERS: Remove isdn4linux@listserv.isdn4linux.de mailing list

[Bagas Sanjaya]

Emails to the subscribers-only ML bounce with "550 Address not found"
error, yet the subsystem web page (http://www.isdn4linux.de) is still
active (last updated in 2008).

Remove the ML address to keep people's inbox from delivery status
notification messages (and to keep Cc: lists a bit shorter).
(Note that get_maintainer.pl already excludes subscribers-only MLs by
default, so this is no harm.)

Signed-off-by: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>
---
 MAINTAINERS | 2 --
 1 file changed, 2 deletions(-)

diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
index fab95e0258e799..dfe4540984e103 100644
--- a/MAINTAINERS
+++ b/MAINTAINERS
@@ -11238,7 +11238,6 @@ T:	git git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/nab/target-pending.git mast
 F:	drivers/infiniband/ulp/isert
 
 ISDN/CMTP OVER BLUETOOTH
-L:	isdn4linux@listserv.isdn4linux.de (subscribers-only)
 L:	netdev@vger.kernel.org
 S:	Orphan
 W:	http://www.isdn4linux.de
@@ -11249,7 +11248,6 @@ F:	include/uapi/linux/isdn/
 F:	net/bluetooth/cmtp/
 
 ISDN/mISDN SUBSYSTEM
-L:	isdn4linux@listserv.isdn4linux.de (subscribers-only)
 L:	netdev@vger.kernel.org
 S:	Orphan
 W:	http://www.isdn4linux.de
-- 
An old man doll... just what I always wanted! - Clara

Re: [PATCH net 0/2] ISDN/mISDN maintenanceship cleanup

[Bagas Sanjaya]

On 12/21/23 16:14, Bagas Sanjaya wrote:
> When I'm looking at simple typofix against ISDN subsystem [1], I find
> out more about subsystem activity. It turns out that the subsystem
> maintainer has been inactive since 3 years ago. And also, when I test
> sending "Lorem ipsum" message to the subsystem mailing list, it gets
> bounced.
> 

Oops, sorry not adding the link.

[1]: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20231221024758.1317603-1-liyouhong@kylinos.cn/

-- 
An old man doll... just what I always wanted! - Clara

Re: [PATCH net 1/2] MAINTAINERS: Remove Karsten Keil

[Greg Kroah-Hartman]

On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 04:14:18PM +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote:
> He's no longer active maintaining ISDN/mISDN subsystem: his last message
> on kernel mailing lists was three years ago [1] and last commit activity
> from him was 1e1589ad8b5cb5 ("mISDN: Support DR6 indication in mISDNipac
> driver") in 2016 when he gave Acked-by: from his @b1-systems.de address.
> 
> Move him to CREDITS, as netdev people should already handle ISDN/mISDN
> patches.
> 
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/0ee243a9-9937-ad26-0684-44b18e772662@linux-pingi.de/ [1]
> Cc: Karsten Keil <isdn@linux-pingi.de>
> Cc: Karsten Keil <keil@b1-systems.de>
> Signed-off-by: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>

Are you sure he's not active?  It doesn't take much work to keep an old
subsystem like this alive, last I remember, real changes were accepted
just fine.

Perhaps just don't send coding style cleanups to old subsystems?  :)

I would not take these unless Karsten agrees that he no longer wants to
maintain this.

thanks,

greg k-h

Re: [PATCH net 0/2] ISDN/mISDN maintenanceship cleanup

[Greg Kroah-Hartman]

On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 04:17:37PM +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote:
> On 12/21/23 16:14, Bagas Sanjaya wrote:
> > When I'm looking at simple typofix against ISDN subsystem [1], I find
> > out more about subsystem activity. It turns out that the subsystem
> > maintainer has been inactive since 3 years ago. And also, when I test
> > sending "Lorem ipsum" message to the subsystem mailing list, it gets
> > bounced.
> > 
> 
> Oops, sorry not adding the link.
> 
> [1]: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20231221024758.1317603-1-liyouhong@kylinos.cn/

I too like to ignore pointless changes like this at times.  Just because
others do, does NOT mean that the subsystem is not being maintained.

greg k-h

Re: [PATCH net 1/2] MAINTAINERS: Remove Karsten Keil

[Bagas Sanjaya]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1486 bytes --]

On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 10:32:09AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 04:14:18PM +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote:
> > He's no longer active maintaining ISDN/mISDN subsystem: his last message
> > on kernel mailing lists was three years ago [1] and last commit activity
> > from him was 1e1589ad8b5cb5 ("mISDN: Support DR6 indication in mISDNipac
> > driver") in 2016 when he gave Acked-by: from his @b1-systems.de address.
> > 
> > Move him to CREDITS, as netdev people should already handle ISDN/mISDN
> > patches.
> > 
> > Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/0ee243a9-9937-ad26-0684-44b18e772662@linux-pingi.de/ [1]
> > Cc: Karsten Keil <isdn@linux-pingi.de>
> > Cc: Karsten Keil <keil@b1-systems.de>
> > Signed-off-by: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>
> 
> Are you sure he's not active?  It doesn't take much work to keep an old
> subsystem like this alive, last I remember, real changes were accepted
> just fine.

As for LKML messages, yes; he doesn't post any new messages since 2020.

> 
> Perhaps just don't send coding style cleanups to old subsystems?  :)
> 
> I would not take these unless Karsten agrees that he no longer wants to
> maintain this.

OK, I will send a private message to him asking for continuing maintainer
role. If there's no response from him by the new year, then it's safe to
route this through net tree instead (hence [PATCH net]).

Thanks.

-- 
An old man doll... just what I always wanted! - Clara

[-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 228 bytes --]

Re: [PATCH net 0/2] ISDN/mISDN maintenanceship cleanup

[Bagas Sanjaya]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 931 bytes --]

On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 10:32:58AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 04:17:37PM +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote:
> > On 12/21/23 16:14, Bagas Sanjaya wrote:
> > > When I'm looking at simple typofix against ISDN subsystem [1], I find
> > > out more about subsystem activity. It turns out that the subsystem
> > > maintainer has been inactive since 3 years ago. And also, when I test
> > > sending "Lorem ipsum" message to the subsystem mailing list, it gets
> > > bounced.
> > > 
> > 
> > Oops, sorry not adding the link.
> > 
> > [1]: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20231221024758.1317603-1-liyouhong@kylinos.cn/
> 
> I too like to ignore pointless changes like this at times.  Just because
> others do, does NOT mean that the subsystem is not being maintained.

Unless maintainers in question agree after their inactivity.

Ciao!

-- 
An old man doll... just what I always wanted! - Clara

[-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 228 bytes --]

Re: [PATCH net 1/2] MAINTAINERS: Remove Karsten Keil

[Greg Kroah-Hartman]

On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 05:49:54PM +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 10:32:09AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 04:14:18PM +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote:
> > > He's no longer active maintaining ISDN/mISDN subsystem: his last message
> > > on kernel mailing lists was three years ago [1] and last commit activity
> > > from him was 1e1589ad8b5cb5 ("mISDN: Support DR6 indication in mISDNipac
> > > driver") in 2016 when he gave Acked-by: from his @b1-systems.de address.
> > > 
> > > Move him to CREDITS, as netdev people should already handle ISDN/mISDN
> > > patches.
> > > 
> > > Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/0ee243a9-9937-ad26-0684-44b18e772662@linux-pingi.de/ [1]
> > > Cc: Karsten Keil <isdn@linux-pingi.de>
> > > Cc: Karsten Keil <keil@b1-systems.de>
> > > Signed-off-by: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>
> > 
> > Are you sure he's not active?  It doesn't take much work to keep an old
> > subsystem like this alive, last I remember, real changes were accepted
> > just fine.
> 
> As for LKML messages, yes; he doesn't post any new messages since 2020.
> 
> > 
> > Perhaps just don't send coding style cleanups to old subsystems?  :)
> > 
> > I would not take these unless Karsten agrees that he no longer wants to
> > maintain this.
> 
> OK, I will send a private message to him asking for continuing maintainer
> role. If there's no response from him by the new year, then it's safe to
> route this through net tree instead (hence [PATCH net]).

Why are you arbritrarily saying that "no response in 2 weeks, during the
time of the year almost all of Europe is on vacation, means we drop
someone from the MAINTAINERS file"?

Please slow down, relax, and don't do this.

greg k-h

Re: [PATCH net 1/2] MAINTAINERS: Remove Karsten Keil

[Bagas Sanjaya]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2059 bytes --]

On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 11:54:02AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 05:49:54PM +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 10:32:09AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 04:14:18PM +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote:
> > > > He's no longer active maintaining ISDN/mISDN subsystem: his last message
> > > > on kernel mailing lists was three years ago [1] and last commit activity
> > > > from him was 1e1589ad8b5cb5 ("mISDN: Support DR6 indication in mISDNipac
> > > > driver") in 2016 when he gave Acked-by: from his @b1-systems.de address.
> > > > 
> > > > Move him to CREDITS, as netdev people should already handle ISDN/mISDN
> > > > patches.
> > > > 
> > > > Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/0ee243a9-9937-ad26-0684-44b18e772662@linux-pingi.de/ [1]
> > > > Cc: Karsten Keil <isdn@linux-pingi.de>
> > > > Cc: Karsten Keil <keil@b1-systems.de>
> > > > Signed-off-by: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>
> > > 
> > > Are you sure he's not active?  It doesn't take much work to keep an old
> > > subsystem like this alive, last I remember, real changes were accepted
> > > just fine.
> > 
> > As for LKML messages, yes; he doesn't post any new messages since 2020.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Perhaps just don't send coding style cleanups to old subsystems?  :)
> > > 
> > > I would not take these unless Karsten agrees that he no longer wants to
> > > maintain this.
> > 
> > OK, I will send a private message to him asking for continuing maintainer
> > role. If there's no response from him by the new year, then it's safe to
> > route this through net tree instead (hence [PATCH net]).
> 
> Why are you arbritrarily saying that "no response in 2 weeks, during the
> time of the year almost all of Europe is on vacation, means we drop
> someone from the MAINTAINERS file"?
> 

Because I'm impatient. Maybe I can wait for right timing to reroll once
Karsten agrees to remove his MAINTAINERS entry.

Thanks.

-- 
An old man doll... just what I always wanted! - Clara

[-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 228 bytes --]

Re: [PATCH net 1/2] MAINTAINERS: Remove Karsten Keil

[Greg Kroah-Hartman]

On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 06:23:07PM +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 11:54:02AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 05:49:54PM +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote:
> > > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 10:32:09AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 04:14:18PM +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote:
> > > > > He's no longer active maintaining ISDN/mISDN subsystem: his last message
> > > > > on kernel mailing lists was three years ago [1] and last commit activity
> > > > > from him was 1e1589ad8b5cb5 ("mISDN: Support DR6 indication in mISDNipac
> > > > > driver") in 2016 when he gave Acked-by: from his @b1-systems.de address.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Move him to CREDITS, as netdev people should already handle ISDN/mISDN
> > > > > patches.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/0ee243a9-9937-ad26-0684-44b18e772662@linux-pingi.de/ [1]
> > > > > Cc: Karsten Keil <isdn@linux-pingi.de>
> > > > > Cc: Karsten Keil <keil@b1-systems.de>
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>
> > > > 
> > > > Are you sure he's not active?  It doesn't take much work to keep an old
> > > > subsystem like this alive, last I remember, real changes were accepted
> > > > just fine.
> > > 
> > > As for LKML messages, yes; he doesn't post any new messages since 2020.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Perhaps just don't send coding style cleanups to old subsystems?  :)
> > > > 
> > > > I would not take these unless Karsten agrees that he no longer wants to
> > > > maintain this.
> > > 
> > > OK, I will send a private message to him asking for continuing maintainer
> > > role. If there's no response from him by the new year, then it's safe to
> > > route this through net tree instead (hence [PATCH net]).
> > 
> > Why are you arbritrarily saying that "no response in 2 weeks, during the
> > time of the year almost all of Europe is on vacation, means we drop
> > someone from the MAINTAINERS file"?
> > 
> 
> Because I'm impatient.

Then kernel development might not be the best thing to work on as
patience is required here.

> Maybe I can wait for right timing to reroll once
> Karsten agrees to remove his MAINTAINERS entry.

That's up to Karsten, not you.

Again, please relax, slow down, and perhaps work on something more
technical, like actual kernel fixes?

thanks,

greg k-h

Re: [PATCH net 1/2] MAINTAINERS: Remove Karsten Keil

[Bagas Sanjaya]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2622 bytes --]

On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 12:53:36PM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 06:23:07PM +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 11:54:02AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 05:49:54PM +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 10:32:09AM +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 04:14:18PM +0700, Bagas Sanjaya wrote:
> > > > > > He's no longer active maintaining ISDN/mISDN subsystem: his last message
> > > > > > on kernel mailing lists was three years ago [1] and last commit activity
> > > > > > from him was 1e1589ad8b5cb5 ("mISDN: Support DR6 indication in mISDNipac
> > > > > > driver") in 2016 when he gave Acked-by: from his @b1-systems.de address.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Move him to CREDITS, as netdev people should already handle ISDN/mISDN
> > > > > > patches.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/0ee243a9-9937-ad26-0684-44b18e772662@linux-pingi.de/ [1]
> > > > > > Cc: Karsten Keil <isdn@linux-pingi.de>
> > > > > > Cc: Karsten Keil <keil@b1-systems.de>
> > > > > > Signed-off-by: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>
> > > > > 
> > > > > Are you sure he's not active?  It doesn't take much work to keep an old
> > > > > subsystem like this alive, last I remember, real changes were accepted
> > > > > just fine.
> > > > 
> > > > As for LKML messages, yes; he doesn't post any new messages since 2020.
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Perhaps just don't send coding style cleanups to old subsystems?  :)
> > > > > 
> > > > > I would not take these unless Karsten agrees that he no longer wants to
> > > > > maintain this.
> > > > 
> > > > OK, I will send a private message to him asking for continuing maintainer
> > > > role. If there's no response from him by the new year, then it's safe to
> > > > route this through net tree instead (hence [PATCH net]).
> > > 
> > > Why are you arbritrarily saying that "no response in 2 weeks, during the
> > > time of the year almost all of Europe is on vacation, means we drop
> > > someone from the MAINTAINERS file"?
> > > 
> > 
> > Because I'm impatient.
> 
> Then kernel development might not be the best thing to work on as
> patience is required here.
> 
> > Maybe I can wait for right timing to reroll once
> > Karsten agrees to remove his MAINTAINERS entry.
> 
> That's up to Karsten, not you.
> 
> Again, please relax, slow down, and perhaps work on something more
> technical, like actual kernel fixes?

OK, thanks!

-- 
An old man doll... just what I always wanted! - Clara

[-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 228 bytes --]