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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Vadim Fedorenko <vadim.fedorenko@linux.dev>
Cc: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>,
	Michael Chan <michael.chan@broadcom.com>,
	davem@davemloft.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org, edumazet@google.com,
	pabeni@redhat.com, pavan.chebbi@broadcom.com,
	andrew.gospodarek@broadcom.com, richardcochran@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 1/2] bnxt_en: Introduce devlink runtime driver param to set ptp tx timeout
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 2024 17:49:14 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240229174914.3a9cb61e@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f1d31561-f5b5-486f-98e4-75ccc2723131@linux.dev>

On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 21:22:19 +0000 Vadim Fedorenko wrote:
> > Perhaps, but also I think it's fairly impractical. Specialized users may
> > be able to tune this, but in DC environment PTP is handled at the host  
> 
> That's correct, only 1 app is actually doing syncronization
> 
> > level, and the applications come and go. So all the poor admin can do  
> 
> Container/VM level applications don't care about PTP packets timestamps.
> They only care about the time being synchronized.

What I was saying is that in the PTP daemon you don't know whether
the app running is likely to cause delays or not, and how long.

> > is set this to the max value. While in the driver you can actually try  
> 
> Pure admin will tune it according to the host level app configuration
> which may differ because of environment.

Concrete example?

> > to be a bit more intelligent. Expecting the user to tune this strikes me
> > as trying to take the easy way out..  
> 
> There is no actual way for application to signal down to driver that it
> gave up waiting for TX timestamp, what other kind of smartness can we
> expect here?

Let's figure out why the timeouts happen, before we create uAPIs.
If it's because there's buffer bloat or a pause storm, the next TS
request that gets queued will get stuck in the same exact way.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-01  1:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-29  7:02 [PATCH net-next 0/2] bnxt_en: Support configurable PTP TX timeout Michael Chan
2024-02-29  7:02 ` [PATCH net-next 1/2] bnxt_en: Introduce devlink runtime driver param to set ptp tx timeout Michael Chan
2024-02-29  9:27   ` Vadim Fedorenko
2024-02-29 17:11   ` Jiri Pirko
2024-02-29 17:30     ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-02-29 21:22       ` Vadim Fedorenko
2024-03-01  1:49         ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2024-03-01  7:39           ` Pavan Chebbi
2024-03-01 17:18             ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-03-07  3:50               ` Pavan Chebbi
2024-03-07  4:19                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-03-01 11:34         ` Jiri Pirko
2024-02-29  7:02 ` [PATCH net-next 2/2] bnxt_en: Retry for TX timestamp from FW until timeout specified Michael Chan
2024-02-29  9:23   ` Vadim Fedorenko
2024-02-29 16:43     ` Michael Chan

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