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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Stefano Brivio <sbrivio@redhat.com>
Cc: davem@davemloft.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org, edumazet@google.com,
	pabeni@redhat.com, jiri@resnulli.us, idosch@idosch.org,
	johannes@sipsolutions.net, fw@strlen.de, pablo@netfilter.org,
	Martin Pitt <mpitt@redhat.com>,
	Paul Holzinger <pholzing@redhat.com>,
	David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 3/3] genetlink: fit NLMSG_DONE into same read() as families
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 08:55:45 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240319085545.76445a1e@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240315124808.033ff58d@elisabeth>

On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 12:48:08 +0100 Stefano Brivio wrote:
> > Make sure ctrl_fill_info() returns sensible error codes and
> > propagate them out to netlink core. Let netlink core decide
> > when to return skb->len and when to treat the exit as an
> > error. Netlink core does better job at it, if we always
> > return skb->len the core doesn't know when we're done
> > dumping and NLMSG_DONE ends up in a separate read().  
> 
> While this change is obviously correct, it breaks... well, broken
> applications that _wrongly_ rely on the fact that NLMSG_DONE is
> delivered in a separate datagram.
> 
> This was the (embarrassing) case for passt(1), which I just fixed:
>   https://archives.passt.top/passt-dev/20240315112432.382212-1-sbrivio@redhat.com/
> 
> but the "separate" NLMSG_DONE is such an established behaviour,
> I think, that this might raise a more general concern.
> 
> From my perspective, I'm just happy that this change revealed the
> issue, but I wanted to report this anyway in case somebody has
> similar possible breakages in mind.

Hi Stefano! I was worried this may happen :( I think we should revert
offending commits, but I'd like to take it on case by case basis. 
I'd imagine majority of netlink is only exercised by iproute2 and
libmnl-based tools. Does passt hang specifically on genetlink family
dump? Your commit also mentions RTM_GETROUTE. This is not the only
commit which removed DONE:

$ git log --since='1 month ago' --grep=NLMSG_DONE --no-merges  --oneline 

9cc4cc329d30 ipv6: use xa_array iterator to implement inet6_dump_addr()
87d381973e49 genetlink: fit NLMSG_DONE into same read() as families
4ce5dc9316de inet: switch inet_dump_fib() to RCU protection
6647b338fc5c netlink: fix netlink_diag_dump() return value

  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-19 15:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-03  5:24 [PATCH net-next v2 0/3] netlink: handle EMSGSIZE errors in the core Jakub Kicinski
2024-03-03  5:24 ` [PATCH net-next v2 1/3] " Jakub Kicinski
2024-03-03 15:01   ` Ido Schimmel
2024-03-03  5:24 ` [PATCH net-next v2 2/3] netdev: let netlink core handle -EMSGSIZE errors Jakub Kicinski
2024-03-03 15:08   ` Ido Schimmel
2024-03-03  5:24 ` [PATCH net-next v2 3/3] genetlink: fit NLMSG_DONE into same read() as families Jakub Kicinski
2024-03-03 15:10   ` Ido Schimmel
2024-03-15 11:48   ` Stefano Brivio
2024-03-19 15:55     ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2024-03-19 17:17       ` Eric Dumazet
2024-03-19 17:40         ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-03-21 12:56           ` Gal Pressman
2024-03-21 13:51             ` Ido Schimmel
2024-03-21 15:03               ` Gal Pressman
2024-03-21 17:26               ` Eric Dumazet
2024-03-21 17:41                 ` Ido Schimmel
2024-04-03 22:52           ` Ilya Maximets
2024-04-11 15:16             ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-11 15:39               ` Ilya Maximets
2024-04-11 15:52                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-11 16:38                   ` Ilya Maximets
2024-04-11 18:03                     ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-11 18:04                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-03-19 23:36       ` David Gibson
2024-03-06  8:10 ` [PATCH net-next v2 0/3] netlink: handle EMSGSIZE errors in the core patchwork-bot+netdevbpf

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