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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Petr Machata <petrm@nvidia.com>
Cc: <davem@davemloft.net>, <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	<edumazet@google.com>, <pabeni@redhat.com>, <shuah@kernel.org>,
	<sdf@google.com>, <donald.hunter@gmail.com>,
	<linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 3/7] selftests: net: add scaffolding for Netlink tests in Python
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2024 10:26:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240402102642.65681bf4@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87il0zith6.fsf@nvidia.com>

On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 17:53:41 +0200 Petr Machata wrote:
> > +def ksft_ge(a, b, comment=""):
> > +    global KSFT_RESULT
> > +    if a < b:
> > +        KSFT_RESULT = False  
> 
> Hmm, instead of this global KSFT_RESULT business, have you considered
> adding and raising an XsftFailEx, like for the other outcomes? We need
> to use KSFT_RESULT-like approach in bash tests, because, well, bash.
> 
> Doing it all through exceptions likely requires consistent use of
> context managers for resource clean-up. But if we do, we'll get
> guaranteed cleanups as well. I see that you use __del__ and explicit
> "finally: del cfg" later on, which is exactly the sort of lifetime
> management boilerplate that context managers encapsulate.
> 
> This stuff is going to get cut'n'pasted around, and I worry we'll end up
> with a mess of mutable globals and forgotten cleanups if the right
> patterns are not introduced early on.

I wanted to support the semantics which the C kselftest harness has,
by which I mean EXPECT and ASSERT. The helpers don't raise, just record
the failure and keep going. ASSERT semantics are provided by the
exceptions.

I thought it may be easier to follow and write correct code if we raise
ASSERTS explicitly in the test, rather than in the helpers. I mean - if 
the programmer has to type in "raise" they are more likely to realize
they need to also add cleanup.

But TBH I'm happy to be persuaded otherwise, I couldn't find a strong
reason to do it one way or the other. I have tried to integrate with
unittest and that wasn't great (I have one huge test I need to port
back now). I don't know if pytest is better, but I decided that we
should probably roll our own. What "our own" exactly is I don't have
strong opinion.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-02 17:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-02  1:05 [PATCH net-next 0/7] selftests: net: groundwork for YNL-based tests Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-02  1:05 ` [PATCH net-next 1/7] netlink: specs: define ethtool header flags Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-02  1:05 ` [PATCH net-next 2/7] tools: ynl: copy netlink error to NlError Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-02  1:05 ` [PATCH net-next 3/7] selftests: net: add scaffolding for Netlink tests in Python Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-02 15:53   ` Petr Machata
2024-04-02 17:26     ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2024-04-03  0:09   ` David Wei
2024-04-02  1:05 ` [PATCH net-next 4/7] selftests: nl_netdev: add a trivial Netlink netdev test Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-03  0:15   ` David Wei
2024-04-02  1:05 ` [PATCH net-next 5/7] netdevsim: report stats by default, like a real device Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-03  2:51   ` David Wei
2024-04-02  1:05 ` [PATCH net-next 6/7] selftests: drivers: add scaffolding for Netlink tests in Python Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-03  3:06   ` David Wei
2024-04-02  1:05 ` [PATCH net-next 7/7] testing: net-drv: add a driver test for stats reporting Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-02 16:37   ` Petr Machata
2024-04-02 17:31     ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-02 17:44       ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-02 22:02         ` Petr Machata
2024-04-02 22:04       ` Petr Machata
2024-04-02 23:36         ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-03  8:58           ` Petr Machata
2024-04-03 13:55             ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-03 16:52               ` Petr Machata
2024-04-03 21:48                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-03  3:15       ` David Wei
2024-04-03  3:09   ` David Wei

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