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From: Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>
To: Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>
Cc: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, bhelgaas@google.com,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org,
	Alexander Duyck <alexanderduyck@fb.com>,
	davem@davemloft.net, pabeni@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [net-next PATCH 00/15] eth: fbnic: Add network driver for Meta Platforms Host Network Interface
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2024 09:18:46 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240408061846.GA8764@unreal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKgT0UdAz1mb48kFEngY5sCvHwYM2vYtEK81VceKj-xo6roFyA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 05, 2024 at 08:41:11AM -0700, Alexander Duyck wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 7:38 PM Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org> wrote:

<...>

> > > > Technical solution? Maybe if it's not a public device regression rules
> > > > don't apply? Seems fairly reasonable.
> > >
> > > This is a hypothetical. This driver currently isn't changing anything
> > > outside of itself. At this point the driver would only be build tested
> > > by everyone else. They could just not include it in their Kconfig and
> > > then out-of-sight, out-of-mind.
> >
> > Not changing does not mean not depending on existing behavior.
> > Investigating and fixing properly even the hardest regressions in
> > the stack is a bar that Meta can so easily clear. I don't understand
> > why you are arguing.
> 
> I wasn't saying the driver wouldn't be dependent on existing behavior.
> I was saying that it was a hypothetical that Meta would be a "less
> than cooperative user" and demand a revert.  It is also a hypothetical
> that Linus wouldn't just propose a revert of the fbnic driver instead
> of the API for the crime of being a "less than cooperative maintainer"
> and  then give Meta the Nvidia treatment.

It is very easy to be "less than cooperative maintainer" in netdev world.
1. Be vendor.
2. Propose ideas which are different.
3. Report for user-visible regression.
4. Ask for a fix from the patch author or demand a revert according to netdev rules/practice.

And voilà, you are "less than cooperative maintainer".

So in reality, the "hypothetical" is very close to the reality, unless
Meta contribution will be treated as a special case.

Thanks

  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-08  6:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 163+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-03 20:08 [net-next PATCH 00/15] eth: fbnic: Add network driver for Meta Platforms Host Network Interface Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 20:08 ` [net-next PATCH 01/15] PCI: Add Meta Platforms vendor ID Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 20:20   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2024-04-03 20:08 ` [net-next PATCH 02/15] eth: fbnic: add scaffolding for Meta's NIC driver Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 20:33   ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-03 20:47     ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 21:17       ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-03 21:51         ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 22:20           ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-03 23:27             ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 20:08 ` [net-next PATCH 03/15] eth: fbnic: Allocate core device specific structures and devlink interface Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 20:35   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2024-04-03 20:08 ` [net-next PATCH 04/15] eth: fbnic: Add register init to set PCIe/Ethernet device config Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 20:46   ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-10 20:31     ` Jacob Keller
2024-04-03 20:08 ` [net-next PATCH 05/15] eth: fbnic: add message parsing for FW messages Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 21:07   ` Jeff Johnson
2024-04-03 20:08 ` [net-next PATCH 06/15] eth: fbnic: add FW communication mechanism Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 20:08 ` [net-next PATCH 07/15] eth: fbnic: allocate a netdevice and napi vectors with queues Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 20:58   ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-03 22:15     ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 22:26       ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-03 20:08 ` [net-next PATCH 08/15] eth: fbnic: implement Tx queue alloc/start/stop/free Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 20:09 ` [net-next PATCH 09/15] eth: fbnic: implement Rx " Alexander Duyck
2024-04-04 11:42   ` kernel test robot
2024-04-03 20:09 ` [net-next PATCH 10/15] eth: fbnic: Add initial messaging to notify FW of our presence Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 20:09 ` [net-next PATCH 11/15] eth: fbnic: Enable Ethernet link setup Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 21:11   ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-05 21:51   ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-21 23:21     ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-22 15:52       ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-22 18:59         ` Alexander H Duyck
2024-04-03 20:09 ` [net-next PATCH 12/15] eth: fbnic: add basic Tx handling Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 20:09 ` [net-next PATCH 13/15] eth: fbnic: add basic Rx handling Alexander Duyck
2024-04-09 11:47   ` Yunsheng Lin
2024-04-09 15:08     ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-10 11:54       ` Yunsheng Lin
2024-04-10 15:03         ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-12  8:43           ` Yunsheng Lin
2024-04-12  9:47             ` Yunsheng Lin
2024-04-12 15:05             ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-15 13:19               ` Yunsheng Lin
2024-04-15 15:03                 ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-15 17:11                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-15 18:03                     ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-15 18:19                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-15 18:55                         ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-15 22:01                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-15 23:57                             ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-16  0:24                               ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-16 13:25                             ` Yunsheng Lin
2024-04-16 14:35                               ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-16 14:05                       ` Alexander Lobakin
2024-04-16 14:46                         ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-16 18:26                           ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-17  8:14                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-04-17 16:09                             ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-17 10:39                           ` Alexander Lobakin
2024-04-03 20:09 ` [net-next PATCH 14/15] eth: fbnic: add L2 address programming Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 20:09 ` [net-next PATCH 15/15] eth: fbnic: write the TCAM tables used for RSS control and Rx to host Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 20:42 ` [net-next PATCH 00/15] eth: fbnic: Add network driver for Meta Platforms Host Network Interface Bjorn Helgaas
2024-04-04 11:37 ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-04 14:45   ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-04 15:24     ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-04 15:37       ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-05  3:08         ` David Ahern
2024-04-04 15:36     ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-04 18:35       ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-04 19:05         ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-04-04 19:22       ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-04 20:25         ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-04 21:59           ` John Fastabend
2024-04-04 23:50             ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-05  0:11               ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-05  2:38                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-05 15:41                   ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-08  6:18                     ` Leon Romanovsky [this message]
2024-04-08 15:26                       ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-08 18:41                         ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-04-08 20:43                           ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-08 21:49                             ` Florian Fainelli
2024-04-08 21:52                               ` Florian Fainelli
2024-04-09  8:18                             ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-04-09 14:43                               ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-09 15:39                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-09 16:31                                   ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-09 17:12                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-09 18:38                                       ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-09 18:54                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-09 20:03                                           ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-09 23:11                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-10  9:37                                             ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-09 19:15                                         ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-04-05  7:11                 ` Paolo Abeni
2024-04-05 12:26                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-05 13:06                     ` Daniel Borkmann
2024-04-05 14:24                     ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-05 15:17                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-05 18:38                         ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-05 19:02                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-06 16:05                             ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-06 16:49                               ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-06 17:16                                 ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-08 15:04                               ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-08 19:50                               ` Mina Almasry
2024-04-08 11:50                           ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-08 15:46                             ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-08 16:51                               ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-08 17:32                                 ` John Fastabend
2024-04-09 11:01                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-09 13:11                                     ` Alexander Lobakin
2024-04-09 13:18                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-09 14:08                                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-09 14:27                                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-09 14:41                                       ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-10 11:45                                         ` Alexander Lobakin
2024-04-10 12:12                                           ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-08 21:36                                 ` Florian Fainelli
2024-04-09 10:56                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-09 13:05                                     ` Florian Fainelli
2024-04-09 14:28                                       ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-09 17:42                                         ` Florian Fainelli
2024-04-09 18:38                                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-04-08 18:16                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-09 16:53                       ` Edward Cree
2024-04-08 11:37                   ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-04 23:50             ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-08 11:05             ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-08 10:54         ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-05 14:01 ` Przemek Kitszel
2024-04-06 16:53   ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-09 20:51 ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-09 21:06   ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-04-10  7:26     ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-10 21:30       ` Jacob Keller
2024-04-10 22:19         ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-11  0:31           ` Jacob Keller
2024-04-09 23:42   ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-10 15:56     ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-10 20:01       ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-10 21:07         ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-10 22:37           ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-11 16:00             ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-11 17:32               ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-11 23:12                 ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-11  6:39           ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-11 16:46             ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-10  7:42   ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-10 12:50     ` Przemek Kitszel
2024-04-10 13:46     ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-10 15:12       ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-10 17:35         ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-10 17:39           ` Florian Fainelli
2024-04-10 17:56             ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-10 18:00               ` Florian Fainelli
2024-04-10 20:03                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-10 18:01               ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-10 18:29                 ` Florian Fainelli
2024-04-10 19:58                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-10 22:03                     ` Jacob Keller
2024-04-11  6:31                       ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-11 16:22                         ` Jacob Keller
2024-04-11  6:34                 ` Jiri Pirko

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