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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: pabeni@redhat.com, John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	Alexander Lobakin <aleksander.lobakin@intel.com>,
	Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Edward Cree <ecree.xilinx@gmail.com>
Cc: Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, bhelgaas@google.com,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org,
	Alexander Duyck <alexanderduyck@fb.com>,
	Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [net-next PATCH 00/15] eth: fbnic: Add network driver for Meta Platforms Host Network Interface
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2024 13:51:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240409135142.692ed5d9@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <171217454226.1598374.8971335637623132496.stgit@ahduyck-xeon-server.home.arpa>

On Wed, 03 Apr 2024 13:08:24 -0700 Alexander Duyck wrote:
> This patch set includes the necessary patches to enable basic Tx and Rx
> over the Meta Platforms Host Network Interface. To do this we introduce a
> new driver and driver and directories in the form of
> "drivers/net/ethernet/meta/fbnic".

Let me try to restate some takeaways and ask for further clarification
on the main question...

First, I think there's broad support for merging the driver itself.

IIUC there is also broad support to raise the expectations from
maintainers of drivers for private devices, specifically that they will:
 - receive weaker "no regression" guarantees
 - help with refactoring / adapting their drivers more actively
 - not get upset when we delete those drivers if they stop participating

If you think that the drivers should be merged *without* setting these
expectations, please speak up.

Nobody picked me up on the suggestion to use the CI as a proactive
check whether the maintainer / owner is still paying attention, 
but okay :(


What is less clear to me is what do we do about uAPI / core changes.
Of those who touched on the subject - few people seem to be curious /
welcoming to any reasonable features coming out for private devices
(John, Olek, Florian)? Others are more cautious focusing on blast
radius and referring to the "two driver rule" (Daniel, Paolo)?
Whether that means outright ban on touching common code or uAPI
in ways which aren't exercised by commercial NICs, is unclear. 
Andrew and Ed did not address the question directly AFAICT.

Is my reading correct? Does anyone have an opinion on whether we should
try to dig more into this question prior to merging the driver, and
set some ground rules? Or proceed and learn by doing?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-04-09 20:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 163+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-03 20:08 [net-next PATCH 00/15] eth: fbnic: Add network driver for Meta Platforms Host Network Interface Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 20:08 ` [net-next PATCH 01/15] PCI: Add Meta Platforms vendor ID Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 20:20   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2024-04-03 20:08 ` [net-next PATCH 02/15] eth: fbnic: add scaffolding for Meta's NIC driver Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 20:33   ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-03 20:47     ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 21:17       ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-03 21:51         ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 22:20           ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-03 23:27             ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 20:08 ` [net-next PATCH 03/15] eth: fbnic: Allocate core device specific structures and devlink interface Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 20:35   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2024-04-03 20:08 ` [net-next PATCH 04/15] eth: fbnic: Add register init to set PCIe/Ethernet device config Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 20:46   ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-10 20:31     ` Jacob Keller
2024-04-03 20:08 ` [net-next PATCH 05/15] eth: fbnic: add message parsing for FW messages Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 21:07   ` Jeff Johnson
2024-04-03 20:08 ` [net-next PATCH 06/15] eth: fbnic: add FW communication mechanism Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 20:08 ` [net-next PATCH 07/15] eth: fbnic: allocate a netdevice and napi vectors with queues Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 20:58   ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-03 22:15     ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 22:26       ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-03 20:08 ` [net-next PATCH 08/15] eth: fbnic: implement Tx queue alloc/start/stop/free Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 20:09 ` [net-next PATCH 09/15] eth: fbnic: implement Rx " Alexander Duyck
2024-04-04 11:42   ` kernel test robot
2024-04-03 20:09 ` [net-next PATCH 10/15] eth: fbnic: Add initial messaging to notify FW of our presence Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 20:09 ` [net-next PATCH 11/15] eth: fbnic: Enable Ethernet link setup Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 21:11   ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-05 21:51   ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-21 23:21     ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-22 15:52       ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-22 18:59         ` Alexander H Duyck
2024-04-03 20:09 ` [net-next PATCH 12/15] eth: fbnic: add basic Tx handling Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 20:09 ` [net-next PATCH 13/15] eth: fbnic: add basic Rx handling Alexander Duyck
2024-04-09 11:47   ` Yunsheng Lin
2024-04-09 15:08     ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-10 11:54       ` Yunsheng Lin
2024-04-10 15:03         ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-12  8:43           ` Yunsheng Lin
2024-04-12  9:47             ` Yunsheng Lin
2024-04-12 15:05             ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-15 13:19               ` Yunsheng Lin
2024-04-15 15:03                 ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-15 17:11                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-15 18:03                     ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-15 18:19                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-15 18:55                         ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-15 22:01                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-15 23:57                             ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-16  0:24                               ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-16 13:25                             ` Yunsheng Lin
2024-04-16 14:35                               ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-16 14:05                       ` Alexander Lobakin
2024-04-16 14:46                         ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-16 18:26                           ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-17  8:14                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-04-17 16:09                             ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-17 10:39                           ` Alexander Lobakin
2024-04-03 20:09 ` [net-next PATCH 14/15] eth: fbnic: add L2 address programming Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 20:09 ` [net-next PATCH 15/15] eth: fbnic: write the TCAM tables used for RSS control and Rx to host Alexander Duyck
2024-04-03 20:42 ` [net-next PATCH 00/15] eth: fbnic: Add network driver for Meta Platforms Host Network Interface Bjorn Helgaas
2024-04-04 11:37 ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-04 14:45   ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-04 15:24     ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-04 15:37       ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-05  3:08         ` David Ahern
2024-04-04 15:36     ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-04 18:35       ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-04 19:05         ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-04-04 19:22       ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-04 20:25         ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-04 21:59           ` John Fastabend
2024-04-04 23:50             ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-05  0:11               ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-05  2:38                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-05 15:41                   ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-08  6:18                     ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-04-08 15:26                       ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-08 18:41                         ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-04-08 20:43                           ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-08 21:49                             ` Florian Fainelli
2024-04-08 21:52                               ` Florian Fainelli
2024-04-09  8:18                             ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-04-09 14:43                               ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-09 15:39                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-09 16:31                                   ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-09 17:12                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-09 18:38                                       ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-09 18:54                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-09 20:03                                           ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-09 23:11                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-10  9:37                                             ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-09 19:15                                         ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-04-05  7:11                 ` Paolo Abeni
2024-04-05 12:26                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-05 13:06                     ` Daniel Borkmann
2024-04-05 14:24                     ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-05 15:17                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-05 18:38                         ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-05 19:02                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-06 16:05                             ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-06 16:49                               ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-06 17:16                                 ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-08 15:04                               ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-08 19:50                               ` Mina Almasry
2024-04-08 11:50                           ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-08 15:46                             ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-08 16:51                               ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-08 17:32                                 ` John Fastabend
2024-04-09 11:01                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-09 13:11                                     ` Alexander Lobakin
2024-04-09 13:18                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-09 14:08                                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-09 14:27                                         ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-09 14:41                                       ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-10 11:45                                         ` Alexander Lobakin
2024-04-10 12:12                                           ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-08 21:36                                 ` Florian Fainelli
2024-04-09 10:56                                   ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-09 13:05                                     ` Florian Fainelli
2024-04-09 14:28                                       ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-09 17:42                                         ` Florian Fainelli
2024-04-09 18:38                                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-04-08 18:16                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-04-09 16:53                       ` Edward Cree
2024-04-08 11:37                   ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-04 23:50             ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-08 11:05             ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-08 10:54         ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-05 14:01 ` Przemek Kitszel
2024-04-06 16:53   ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-09 20:51 ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2024-04-09 21:06   ` Willem de Bruijn
2024-04-10  7:26     ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-10 21:30       ` Jacob Keller
2024-04-10 22:19         ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-11  0:31           ` Jacob Keller
2024-04-09 23:42   ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-10 15:56     ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-10 20:01       ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-10 21:07         ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-10 22:37           ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-11 16:00             ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-11 17:32               ` Andrew Lunn
2024-04-11 23:12                 ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-11  6:39           ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-11 16:46             ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-10  7:42   ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-10 12:50     ` Przemek Kitszel
2024-04-10 13:46     ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-10 15:12       ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-10 17:35         ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-10 17:39           ` Florian Fainelli
2024-04-10 17:56             ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-10 18:00               ` Florian Fainelli
2024-04-10 20:03                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-10 18:01               ` Alexander Duyck
2024-04-10 18:29                 ` Florian Fainelli
2024-04-10 19:58                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-04-10 22:03                     ` Jacob Keller
2024-04-11  6:31                       ` Jiri Pirko
2024-04-11 16:22                         ` Jacob Keller
2024-04-11  6:34                 ` Jiri Pirko

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