From: Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@Huawei.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
David Ahern <dsahern@kernel.org>,
Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
"Itay Avraham" <itayavr@nvidia.com>,
Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>, <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
<linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>, <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@nvidia.com>,
Tariq Toukan <tariqt@nvidia.com>,
Andy Gospodarek <andrew.gospodarek@broadcom.com>,
Aron Silverton <aron.silverton@oracle.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
"Jiri Pirko" <jiri@nvidia.com>, Leonid Bloch <lbloch@nvidia.com>,
Leon Romanovsky <leonro@nvidia.com>, <linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org>,
<patches@lists.linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/8] Introduce fwctl subystem
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2024 12:19:33 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240605121933.000035b5@Huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <665fa9c9e69de_4a4e62941e@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com.notmuch>
> One of the release valves in the CXL space is openly specified
> commands with opaque payloads, like "Read Vendor Debug Log". That is
> clear what it does, likely a payload the kernel need never worry
> about, and the "Command Effects" is empty. However, going forward there
> is a new class of commands called "Set/Get Feature" that allow a wide
> range of vendor toggles to be deployed which will need an upstream
> response for the driver policy to vendor-specific "Features".
Irrelevant rat hole time ;)
I don't see those Set / Get feature as any different from other commands.
I see them as a convenience mostly there to cut down on spec duplication
and enforce some consistency across multiple similar commands, but they
are just commands like any other, validation is just one step further
into the payload.
There are already a bunch of them in the main CXL spec and like you mention
above if someone brings a well documented vendor feature (or feature from
another standard etc), then if appropriate we could let that through the
filter as well.
Same will be true of tunneled commands (I think we can ignore the cross
host security aspect of those). Ultimately we can sanity check the payload
much like a top level command.
So I mostly agree with rest of what you've said, but think this detail
doesn't matter.
>
> So if fwctl, or something like it, can strike a balance of enforcing
> integrity and introspection while encouraging collaboration on the
> aspects that are worth upstream collaboration, I think that is a
> conversation worth having.
>
> [1]: http://lore.kernel.org/r/CAPcyv4gDShAYih5iWabKg_eTHhuHm54vEAei8ZkcmHnPp3B0cw@mail.gmail.com/
> [2]: http://lore.kernel.org/r/20240321174423.00007e0d@Huawei.com
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-06-05 11:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-06-03 15:53 [PATCH 0/8] Introduce fwctl subystem Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-03 15:53 ` [PATCH 1/8] fwctl: Add basic structure for a class subsystem with a cdev Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-04 9:32 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-06-04 15:50 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-04 17:05 ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-06-04 18:52 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-05 11:08 ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-06-04 16:42 ` Randy Dunlap
2024-06-04 16:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-03 15:53 ` [PATCH 2/8] fwctl: Basic ioctl dispatch for the character device Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-04 12:16 ` Zhu Yanjun
2024-06-04 12:22 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-06-04 16:50 ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-06-04 16:58 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-05 11:07 ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-06-05 18:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-06 13:34 ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-06-06 15:37 ` Randy Dunlap
2024-06-05 15:42 ` Przemek Kitszel
2024-06-05 15:49 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-03 15:53 ` [PATCH 3/8] fwctl: FWCTL_INFO to return basic information about the device Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-13 23:32 ` Dave Jiang
2024-06-13 23:40 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-14 16:37 ` Dave Jiang
2024-06-03 15:53 ` [PATCH 4/8] taint: Add TAINT_FWCTL Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-03 15:53 ` [PATCH 5/8] fwctl: FWCTL_RPC to execute a Remote Procedure Call to device firmware Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-03 15:53 ` [PATCH 6/8] fwctl: Add documentation Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-05 2:31 ` Randy Dunlap
2024-06-05 16:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-05 20:14 ` Randy Dunlap
2024-06-03 15:53 ` [PATCH 7/8] fwctl/mlx5: Support for communicating with mlx5 fw Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-03 15:53 ` [PATCH 8/8] mlx5: Create an auxiliary device for fwctl_mlx5 Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-03 18:42 ` [PATCH 0/8] Introduce fwctl subystem Jakub Kicinski
2024-06-04 3:01 ` David Ahern
2024-06-04 14:04 ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-06-04 21:28 ` Saeed Mahameed
2024-06-04 22:32 ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-06-05 14:50 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-05 15:41 ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-06-04 23:56 ` Dan Williams
2024-06-05 3:05 ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-06-05 11:19 ` Jonathan Cameron [this message]
2024-06-05 13:59 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-06 2:35 ` David Ahern
2024-06-06 14:18 ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-06-06 14:48 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-06 15:05 ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-06-06 17:47 ` David Ahern
2024-06-07 6:48 ` Jiri Pirko
2024-06-07 14:50 ` David Ahern
2024-06-07 15:14 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-07 15:50 ` Jiri Pirko
2024-06-07 17:24 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-07 7:34 ` Jiri Pirko
2024-06-07 12:49 ` Andrew Lunn
2024-06-07 13:34 ` Jiri Pirko
2024-06-08 1:43 ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-06-06 4:56 ` Dan Williams
2024-06-06 8:50 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-06-06 22:11 ` Dan Williams
2024-06-07 0:02 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-07 13:12 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-06-06 14:41 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-06 14:58 ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-06-06 17:24 ` Dan Williams
2024-06-07 0:25 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-07 10:47 ` Przemek Kitszel
2024-06-11 15:36 ` Daniel Vetter
2024-06-11 16:17 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-11 16:54 ` Daniel Vetter
2024-06-06 1:58 ` David Ahern
2024-06-05 3:11 ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-06-05 12:06 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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