From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11F1A14F9E9; Tue, 9 Jul 2024 12:47:34 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1720529255; cv=none; b=FQ9r7juSOdETWGesHdIMvIoIV70IT0ioCZYAt8aSLePM1c8I+5gZPiuTWWMgTioA9rag1KxKdalF+jnF2eTx12Sk7QRuoxwn7ZzS0FNaswHmHQJfsYXGVLsL82dIRTYcjX3W9nU43pz9F8BlpQ3cSv1poBLwB4hEDOrsUhAdhYw= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1720529255; c=relaxed/simple; bh=kMEaRYq3F5vW2DfrUKcjrKB27TOAq/dT2dKCzGIKpA0=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=fBAX7qeRBhldzpG3GSHCh2mp+cxbzAB2KPBkMh1LKVTNnwDBmH5mnGcgcdQdDJuxAE4UvcxD7j9i6Apap957V3UK6+gmzhn5K/uazsZzmRU68IYNAMzqW8+NEeDX943795rsOVyenF9uQiryYz6cP9JYv63Qjewcdj6sJp6Gn+s= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=UavG2XuC; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="UavG2XuC" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 92AE3C3277B; Tue, 9 Jul 2024 12:47:31 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1720529254; bh=kMEaRYq3F5vW2DfrUKcjrKB27TOAq/dT2dKCzGIKpA0=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=UavG2XuCrq7dd8xbcrI8m3wSL4ZeQTVW6lyD0YisZCs4fUjyJjfCKqQZiGRNXspg8 iUmDsjF5rPedHoVJz3nKZ44Z3m+PTsP7mqOjL8mSTlu4r8IknoEgazNtGsyT0jvPC0 nCBYarWp3Dqu/umwVDdeKgOtjeNu/4oea1YfdZnE1gsa+v/iQLr8pbjR4Ws66mOgM+ CLIpPxEkYRae/UGMuRnf+L+7i1kxzyCAGR3h+4OwbLNVzB5RuzLr6umx38wsSbKw6h DYt3TF4wikk29NFbmBvKgQDCHS9YNY+qEP0G/AK+TLmPOm0xgvqHLPYawp44cl2rsW kY4rmHx2N4/Vw== Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2024 15:47:23 +0300 From: Leon Romanovsky To: Greg KH Cc: Dan Williams , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, jgg@nvidia.com Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Device Passthrough Considered Harmful? Message-ID: <20240709124723.GE6668@unreal> References: <668c67a324609_ed99294c0@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com.notmuch> <2024070910-rumbling-unrigged-97ba@gregkh> <20240709122547.GC6668@unreal> <2024070933-commerce-duress-935a@gregkh> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: netdev@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2024070933-commerce-duress-935a@gregkh> On Tue, Jul 09, 2024 at 02:33:17PM +0200, Greg KH wrote: > On Tue, Jul 09, 2024 at 03:25:47PM +0300, Leon Romanovsky wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 09, 2024 at 12:01:06PM +0200, Greg KH wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 08, 2024 at 03:26:43PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote: > > > > <...> > > > > > > It sets common expectations for > > > > device designers, distribution maintainers, and kernel developers. It is > > > > complimentary to the Linux-command path for operations that need deeper > > > > kernel coordination. > > > > > > Yes, it's a good start, BUT by circumventing the network control plane, > > > the network driver maintainers rightfully are worried about this as > > > their review comments seem to be ignored here. The rest of us > > > maintainers can't ignore that objection, sorry. > > > > Can you please point to the TECHNICAL review comments that were > > presented and later ignored? > > I can't remember review comments that were made yesterday, let alone > months ago, sorry. So I will summarize the situation for you. There are NO technical review comments from netdev maintainer (not plural maintainers). The difference is philosophical and not technical. And yes, "rest of us maintainers" can ignore philosophical objections. At the end, Linux kernel is distributed open-source project with different people who have different opinions. Thanks > > greg k-h