From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4C323FB3B; Thu, 25 Jul 2024 14:19:02 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1721917143; cv=none; b=fH4cQgwSYjrm0AOKnp9kQJP5KFFoLwUNkVUq521JDTZYQJ0kqnzWcmBykHVidnxYDf6JzdVv15i2VM4+RF4+/ek4fQOEK/CFdtlaSSkkVnYJJrVv5MDKlvVQobIdWsHG2wQSc50GqdLGc5X+9OxopOF/5ZL6A4jdao0Cdyr2Htg= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1721917143; c=relaxed/simple; bh=QXojYiaC9BA8ofaaXe/KVyq+I/rsgjSEzyijj1VO2QQ=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=eEkUpeB1ggMdj7+zO+OrSP/fw+9HhfeMRHcFJLFarHm8pYqgRO9WiTGIXy80lM1Av21EN1k4Uq9gO6XSJUwJkdZcb6k4iHOYjtCxkPvSpzJQx5oInYMrpkGePvkJQ0ta9OGAepyt3JAut0OWCuzNhvGjHYS+IvlMX4bDER2gqdw= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=kRnAfZ8i; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="kRnAfZ8i" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E9EE0C116B1; Thu, 25 Jul 2024 14:19:01 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1721917142; bh=QXojYiaC9BA8ofaaXe/KVyq+I/rsgjSEzyijj1VO2QQ=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=kRnAfZ8iJ26bRhUJ/jnMyz/tTFeEuK/7auc4YAa8tygoTFw/O+Za6uW5SCBYRb/KF HZxCrEiOZY1ppZHSX+MC6Gby3MvYbeu2779XjIh/IBc3Y0sSigZer3AoUgfDjIK+4R yxistHFehC77oV03O/klpEdTpVK6cOxQnh6lxmTpumCZn/ras0T1dq2LLzCukGAFoO c7yOSiMEWSuA035BtLnw9TILSctGWxsTYutHJltkEFtAEVMD7vZAD0iUVklxiYeU02 rKj/L7T7JDrV1aIAG5zAPEzIx3lKGxhDrbaGOWd4ehw2SDm8ZqcO7Jlfnuc/5dqNHP JOW8ZbBg/o7bQ== Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 17:18:56 +0300 From: Leon Romanovsky To: Mark Brown Cc: Ricardo Ribalda Delgado , Laurent Pinchart , James Bottomley , Jiri Kosina , Dan Williams , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, jgg@nvidia.com Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Device Passthrough Considered Harmful? Message-ID: <20240725141856.GG7022@unreal> References: <668c67a324609_ed99294c0@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com.notmuch> <1e82a5c97e915144e01dd65575929c15bc0db397.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20240724200012.GA23293@pendragon.ideasonboard.com> <20240725122315.GE7022@unreal> <20240725132035.GF7022@unreal> <1d7a4437-d072-42c4-b5fe-21e097eb5b9c@sirena.org.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: netdev@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1d7a4437-d072-42c4-b5fe-21e097eb5b9c@sirena.org.uk> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 02:29:36PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: > On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 04:20:35PM +0300, Leon Romanovsky wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 03:02:13PM +0200, Ricardo Ribalda Delgado wrote: > > > > As a user, and as an open source Distro developer I have a small hint. > > > But you could also ask users what they think about not being able to > > > use their notebook's cameras. The last time that I could not use some > > > basic hardware from a notebook with Linux was 20 years ago. > > > Lucky you, I still have consumer hardware (speaker) that doesn't work > > with Linux, and even now, there is basic hardware in my current > > laptop (HP docking station) that doesn't work reliably in Linux. > > FWIW for most audio issues (especially built in stuff) with laptops if > you report it upstream it'll generally be relatively easy to quirk. > Unfortunately it's idiomatic for ACPI systems to quirk off DMI > information for almost everything which means a constant stream of per > system quirks for subsystems like audio. It is Jabra USB speaker. One day, I will have time to debug it :). Thanks