From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>,
Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
ksummit@lists.linux.dev, linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org,
linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Device Passthrough Considered Harmful?
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 16:43:14 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240725194314.GS3371438@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240725193125.GD14252@pendragon.ideasonboard.com>
On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 10:31:25PM +0300, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> I don't think those are necessarily relevant examples, as far as device
> pass-through goes. Vendors have many times reverted to proprietary ways,
> and they still do, at least in the areas of the kernel I'm most active
> in. I've seen first hand a large SoC vendor very close to opening a
> significant part of their camera stack and changing their mind at the
> last minute when they heard they could possibly merge their code through
> a different subsystem with a pass-through blank cheque.
If someone came with a fully open source framework for (say) some
camera, with a passthrough kernel driver design, would you reject it
soley because it is passthrough based and you are scared that
something else will use it to do something not open source?
I wouldn't agree with that position, I think denying users useful open
source solutions out of fear is not what Linux should be doing.
Jason
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-07-25 19:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-07-08 22:26 [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Device Passthrough Considered Harmful? Dan Williams
2024-07-09 6:09 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-07-09 19:43 ` Dan Williams
2024-07-10 13:05 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-21 18:51 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-22 13:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-09 10:01 ` Greg KH
2024-07-09 12:25 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-09 12:33 ` Greg KH
2024-07-09 12:47 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-11 14:07 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-09 20:09 ` Dan Williams
2024-07-09 16:02 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-09 22:15 ` Dan Williams
2024-07-10 13:22 ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-07-11 11:00 ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-07-11 15:05 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-11 17:01 ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-07-11 17:45 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-11 16:36 ` Dan Williams
2024-07-12 10:37 ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-07-21 19:25 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-22 7:31 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-22 8:53 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-22 10:44 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-22 11:10 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-22 13:28 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-22 14:13 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-22 14:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-22 10:42 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-22 11:18 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-22 11:56 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-25 20:01 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 8:04 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-26 10:59 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 15:40 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-28 17:18 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-29 9:58 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-29 10:31 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-31 11:54 ` Sakari Ailus
2024-07-31 13:15 ` Daniel Vetter
2024-08-02 15:07 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-08-13 10:17 ` Tomasz Figa
2024-08-13 10:26 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-08-13 10:33 ` Tomasz Figa
2024-08-13 10:58 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-11 13:50 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-11 15:16 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-11 16:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-23 11:20 ` Jiri Kosina
2024-07-23 11:36 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-23 23:22 ` Jiri Kosina
2024-07-24 20:12 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-24 20:00 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-24 20:37 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-24 21:10 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-25 19:31 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-25 19:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2024-07-25 20:07 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-25 23:39 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-26 8:04 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-26 12:49 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 13:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-26 14:22 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 15:43 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-28 15:25 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-29 9:57 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-29 14:20 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-26 8:03 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-26 13:22 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 15:44 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-28 17:02 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 16:49 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-28 16:44 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 17:33 ` Daniel Vetter
2024-07-29 14:10 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-25 9:26 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-25 10:51 ` Wolfram Sang
2024-07-25 12:23 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-25 13:02 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-25 13:20 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-25 13:29 ` Mark Brown
2024-07-25 14:18 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-25 14:22 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-25 17:37 ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-26 13:58 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-25 19:42 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 8:02 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-26 13:11 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 15:40 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-28 11:23 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-29 9:56 ` Ricardo Ribalda Delgado
2024-07-29 10:38 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 16:01 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-26 17:56 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-25 13:44 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-26 14:27 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-26 15:34 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-28 16:03 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-27 0:16 ` Dan Williams
2024-07-28 11:18 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-28 15:16 ` Greg KH
2024-07-28 15:34 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-07-28 15:49 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-29 6:10 ` Greg KH
2024-07-31 12:33 ` James Bottomley
2024-07-31 12:45 ` Laurent Pinchart
2024-08-01 14:41 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-07 0:06 ` Dan Williams
2024-08-07 0:13 ` James Bottomley
2024-08-16 11:12 ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-07-29 14:56 ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-07-29 15:16 ` Greg KH
2024-07-29 15:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-29 12:45 ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-07-29 13:38 ` Borislav Petkov
2024-07-29 14:29 ` Jonathan Cameron
2024-07-29 14:58 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-30 13:19 ` Borislav Petkov
2024-08-01 14:23 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-29 15:42 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-29 22:37 ` Dan Williams
2024-07-30 7:13 ` Daniel Vetter
2024-08-01 14:22 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-08-06 7:14 ` Daniel Vetter
2024-08-06 13:04 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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