From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C5C9F1FE0E1 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2024 17:35:20 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=18.9.28.11 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1729791322; cv=none; b=tfF0aFtSGVsrB7Y4bXqSh9k5xRmnTuxk0NWKddqm7Y8tT9JzjGNxjFuHNvDckkUt1G6nucLdQUpqwhZeI/1rJp9/A3lT/Ibv93C4PvXulD9gOMBGR8jbki7XIxI87IqUSbkA3UciffxxcLLzZLc3nW0t+Is9ObVlzagNSO749Es= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1729791322; c=relaxed/simple; bh=dxDEy3Ofp3BOYT0Im+CkYgv7qvt95bsEmjU7sRJ9nQY=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=MPsm7kKMFGbFFPLhkb6pW6MSHELEGWIhJSmYc3BHwiu762C45ez1kzoyJBw6w03ecXti0xVnCQ1eaXZzeK7sfESEnqHXT7iJAO6UVizhmlr1gpz0F1eU7Li6T2OZBTUg1irkmHGOsX2mez6X5AqwdFgzNG9ZNFoy/Z+aJEYHAtw= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=mit.edu; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=mit.edu; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mit.edu header.i=@mit.edu header.b=lywpdKPr; arc=none smtp.client-ip=18.9.28.11 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=mit.edu Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=mit.edu Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mit.edu header.i=@mit.edu header.b="lywpdKPr" Received: from cwcc.thunk.org (pool-173-48-115-113.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.115.113]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id 49OHZ5EN029614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 24 Oct 2024 13:35:06 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mit.edu; s=outgoing; t=1729791306; bh=THgZTjgepZWEIghS4JPw/+y40a1os2Kh9HRPApjh/t0=; h=Date:From:Subject:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=lywpdKPrC66vtufIFAhSkiaAn4gKYzeIrHFw9mZRsd5RncMll/SGI/E3YJgUnY7Xa ykp0s7TZhnNKCUeULcD8bf+MSLRBDpPNgEg4pGwZhQjEmoWTPH0uqeoTBCTeCEp48x e4wAS50XkH9kEvzwDHEUc2D4rzXgVbKgMFOHCDnnw7F13gChzWg7KVEM5/LhKN9xl3 d4Jh4fm19vN+UhCElBSOCuwtN4pIbXUYk1kbjkjCQvRDBa/j4Ob+sH6NhYFtMVauIQ VHlIrbk5K6dNa4wpqdhV8+3n3s/0gqeVevLiZSPYDKXY01LqMm+lMDpC+xcjesw5aN aDdgj3YClK0QQ== Received: by cwcc.thunk.org (Postfix, from userid 15806) id E584815C0329; Thu, 24 Oct 2024 13:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2024 13:35:04 -0400 From: "Theodore Ts'o" To: Hantong Chen Cc: james.bottomley@hansenpartnership.com, ajhalaney@gmail.com, allenbh@gmail.com, andrew@lunn.ch, andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com, andy@kernel.org, arnd@arndb.de, bhelgaas@google.com, bp@alien8.de, broonie@kernel.org, cai.huoqing@linux.dev, dave.jiang@intel.com, davem@davemloft.net, dlemoal@kernel.org, dmaengine@vger.kernel.org, dushistov@mail.ru, fancer.lancer@gmail.com, geert@linux-m68k.org, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, ink@jurassic.park.msu.ru, jdmason@kudzu.us, jiaxun.yang@flygoat.com, keguang.zhang@gmail.com, kory.maincent@bootlin.com, krzk@kernel.org, kuba@kernel.org, linux-edac@vger.kernel.org, linux-hwmon@vger.kernel.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mips@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org, linux-serial@vger.kernel.org, linux-spi@vger.kernel.org, linux@armlinux.org.uk, linux@roeck-us.net, manivannan.sadhasivam@linaro.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, nikita.shubin@maquefel.me, nikita@trvn.ru, ntb@lists.linux.dev, olteanv@gmail.com, pabeni@redhat.com, paulburton@kernel.org, robh@kernel.org, s.shtylyov@omp.ru, sergio.paracuellos@gmail.com, shc_work@mail.ru, siyanteng@loongson.cn, tsbogend@alpha.franken.de, xeb@mail.ru, yoshihiro.shimoda.uh@renesas.com Subject: Re: linux: Goodbye from a Linux community volunteer Message-ID: <20241024173504.GN3204734@mit.edu> References: <20241024165650.174-1-cxwdyx620@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: netdev@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20241024165650.174-1-cxwdyx620@gmail.com> On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 04:56:50PM +0000, Hantong Chen wrote: > > For People???s Republic of China, there are about 500 entities that > are on the U.S. OFAC SDN / non-SDN lists, especially HUAWEI, which > is one of the most active employers from versions 5.16 through 6.1, > according to statistics. This is unacceptable, and we must take > immediate action to address it, with the **same** reason. There are multiple sanctions programs, and at least in the US, for the sanctions program which Huawei is in, there is an exception for conversations and patches that take place in a public mailing list, such as LKML. As a result, as the ext4 maintainer, I am comfortable taking patches from engineers employed by Huawei, and I consider them valued members of the ext4 development community. However, note that China is *not* actively attacking Taiwai militarily, while there are Russian missiles and drones, some of which may controlled by embedded Linux systems, that are being used against Ukraine even as we speak. Hence, it should not be surprising that the rules imposed by the US Government might be different for Huawei compared to other sanctioned entities that are directly or indirectly controlled by the Russian Military-Industrial complex. There are also other sanctions regimes imposed by Japan, European Countries, etc., which might be more or less strict. So in general, if you are not sure what you need to do as an US, European, Japanese, etc. citizen who might be subject to civil or criminal penalties ---- talk to a lawyer. The bottom line is that it is a false equivalence to claim that sanctions involving China and Russia are the same. They very much aren't; one country is engaging in an active shooting war (or if you prefer, "special military operation"), and the other is not. Of course, if China were to militarily attack Taiwan or some other country in Asia, circumstances might change at some point in the future. Hopefully Chinese leaders will pursue a path of wisdom and those consequences won't come to pass. Ultimately, though, that's not up to any of us on this mail thread. Cheers, - Ted