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Fri, 25 Oct 2024 07:59:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dovecot-director2.suse.de ([2a07:de40:b281:106:10:150:64:167]) by imap1.dmz-prg2.suse.org with ESMTPSA id 1OmFJ/9PG2coWQAAD6G6ig (envelope-from ); Fri, 25 Oct 2024 07:59:59 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2024 09:59:53 +0200 From: Andreas Herrmann To: Jiaxun Yang Cc: James Bottomley , Serge Semin , Jon Mason , Dave Jiang , Allen Hubbe , ntb@lists.linux.dev, Andy Shevchenko , Andy Shevchenko , Kory Maincent , Cai Huoqing , dmaengine@vger.kernel.org, Mark Brown , linux-spi@vger.kernel.org, Damien Le Moal , linux-ide@vger.kernel.org, "paulburton@kernel.org" , Thomas Bogendoerfer , Arnd Bergmann , "linux-mips@vger.kernel.org" , Bjorn Helgaas , Manivannan Sadhasivam , Yoshihiro Shimoda , linux-pci , "David S . Miller" , Jakub Kicinski , Paolo Abeni , Andrew Lunn , Russell King , Vladimir Oltean , Kelvin Cheung , Yanteng Si , netdev@vger.kernel.org, Rob Herring , Krzysztof Kozlowski , Guenter Roeck , linux-hwmon@vger.kernel.org, Borislav Petkov , linux-edac@vger.kernel.org, Greg Kroah-Hartman , linux-serial@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Halaney , Nikita Travkin , Ivan Kokshaysky , Alexander Shiyan , Dmitry Kozlov , Sergey Shtylyov , Evgeniy Dushistov , Geert Uytterhoeven , Sergio Paracuellos , Nikita Shubin , linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: linux: Goodbye from a Linux community volunteer Message-ID: <20241025075953.GA3559@alberich> References: <2m53bmuzemamzc4jzk2bj7tli22ruaaqqe34a2shtdtqrd52hp@alifh66en3rj> <753d203a-a008-4cd3-b053-38b5ce31281b@app.fastmail.com> <2f203b14-be13-4eef-bcb1-743dd9e9e9bd@app.fastmail.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: netdev@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <2f203b14-be13-4eef-bcb1-743dd9e9e9bd@app.fastmail.com> X-Spam-Level: X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.30 / 50.00]; BAYES_HAM(-3.00)[99.99%]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.20)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DKIM_SIGNED(0.00)[suse.de:s=susede2_rsa,suse.de:s=susede2_ed25519]; FUZZY_BLOCKED(0.00)[rspamd.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[hansenpartnership.com,gmail.com,kudzu.us,intel.com,lists.linux.dev,kernel.org,linux.intel.com,bootlin.com,linux.dev,vger.kernel.org,alpha.franken.de,arndb.de,google.com,linaro.org,renesas.com,davemloft.net,redhat.com,lunn.ch,armlinux.org.uk,loongson.cn,roeck-us.net,alien8.de,linuxfoundation.org,trvn.ru,jurassic.park.msu.ru,mail.ru,omp.ru,linux-m68k.org,maquefel.me]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_GT_50(0.00)[53]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Spam-Score: -2.30 X-Spam-Flag: NO On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 05:58:45PM +0100, Jiaxun Yang wrote: > > > 在2024年10月24日十月 下午5:27，James Bottomley写道： > > On Thu, 2024-10-24 at 16:59 +0100, Jiaxun Yang wrote: > [...] > > Hi James, > > > > > It's Linux, so no official capacity at all. However, I am expressing > > the views of a number of people I talked to but it's not fair of me to > > name them. > > Fair enough, I was hoping that it's from Linux Foundation but it's still > good news to me that it do represent some respectful individuals. > > > > [...] > >> How should we handle it? > > > > A big chunk of the reason it's taken so long just to get the above is > > that the Lawyers (of which I'm not one) are still discussing the > > specifics and will produce a much longer policy document later, so they > > don't want to be drawn into questions like this. However, my non- > > legal-advice rule of thumb that I'm applying until I hear otherwise is > > not on the SDN list, not a problem. > > Thank you for sharing your insights. I'm looking forward to the document. +1 > While I remain quite upset about how things were handled, your message has > helped restore some of my confidence in the community. +1 > I agree with Peter Cai's earlier comment that steps should be taken to address > the harm caused by the initial reckless actions, particularly to those who were > humiliated. +1 > It is also important to put measures in place to prevent such drama from recurring. > A formal procedure for handling urgent compliance requests may be a sensible step > forward. +1 > I hold our community in high regard and would be heartbreaking to see the reputation > of the Linux Kernel undermined in such an unfortunate manner. I would appreciate it > if you could convey those thoughts to the relevant individuals. +1 -- Regards, Andreas PS: What people also tend to forget. No matter how worse it gets in world affairs there always will come a time after a conflict. And people with brains should look forward to such times and how they can continue to work together then.