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From: Maxime Chevallier <maxime.chevallier@bootlin.com>
To: "Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
Cc: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	Dennis Ostermann <dennis.ostermann@renesas.com>,
	"nikita.yoush" <nikita.yoush@cogentembedded.com>,
	Heiner Kallweit <hkallweit1@gmail.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Michael Dege <michael.dege@renesas.com>,
	Christian Mardmoeller <christian.mardmoeller@renesas.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] net: phy: phy_ethtool_ksettings_set: Allow any supported speed
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2024 16:51:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241203165147.4706cc3b@fedora.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z08h95dUlS7zacTY@shell.armlinux.org.uk>

Hi Andrew,

On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 15:21:27 +0000
"Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@armlinux.org.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 03, 2024 at 03:45:09PM +0100, Andrew Lunn wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 03, 2024 at 02:05:07PM +0000, Dennis Ostermann wrote:  
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > according to IEE 802.3-2022, ch. 125.2.4.3, Auto-Negotiation is optional for 2.5GBASE-T1
> > >   
> > > > 125.2.4.3 Auto-Negotiation, type single differential-pair media
> > > > Auto-Negotiation (Clause 98) may be used by 2.5GBASE-T1 and 5GBASE-T1 devices to detect the
> > > > abilities (modes of operation) supported by the device at the other end of a link segment, determine common
> > > > abilities, and configure for joint operation. Auto-Negotiation is performed upon link startup through the use
> > > > of half-duplex differential Manchester encoding.
> > > > The use of Clause 98 Auto-Negotiation is optional for 2.5GBASE-T1 and 5GBASE-T1 PHYs  
> > > 
> > > So, purposed change could make sense for T1 PHYs.  
> > 
> > The proposed change it too liberal. We need the PHY to say it supports
> > 2.5GBASE-T1, not 2.5GBASE-T. We can then allow 2.5GBASE-T1 to not use
> > autoneg, but 2.5GBASE-T has to use autoneg.  
> 
> I'm wondering whether we should add:
> 
> 	__ETHTOOL_DECLARE_LINK_MODE_MASK(requires_an);
> 
> to struct phy_device, and have phylib populate that by default with all
> base-T link modes > 1G (which would be the default case as it is now.)
> Then, PHY drivers can change this bitmap as they need for their device.
> After the PHY features have been discovered, this should then get
> AND-ed with the supported bitmap.

If the standards says that BaseT4 >1G needs aneg, and that we can't
have it for baseT1, couldn't we just have some lookup table for each
mode indicating if they need or support aneg ? I'm thinking about
something similar as the big table in net/ethtool/common.c where we
have the linkmode - speed - duplex - lanes mapping :

https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v6.12.1/source/net/ethtool/common.c#L270

maybe looking it up for each config operation would be too expensive ?
or it maybe isn't flexible enough in case we have to deal with
phy-pecific quirks...

Maxime



  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-03 15:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-02  8:33 [PATCH] net: phy: phy_ethtool_ksettings_set: Allow any supported speed Nikita Yushchenko
2024-12-02  9:03 ` Maxime Chevallier
2024-12-02  9:20   ` Nikita Yushchenko
2024-12-02  9:59     ` Maxime Chevallier
2024-12-02 10:10     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-12-02 10:17       ` Nikita Yushchenko
2024-12-02 10:23         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-12-02 11:09           ` Nikita Yushchenko
2024-12-02 12:30             ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-12-02 15:51               ` Nikita Yushchenko
2024-12-02 16:03                 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-12-03 11:01                   ` Nikita Yushchenko
2024-12-03 15:15                     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-12-03 14:05                   ` Dennis Ostermann
2024-12-03 14:45                     ` Andrew Lunn
2024-12-03 15:21                       ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-12-03 15:51                         ` Maxime Chevallier [this message]
2024-12-03 16:37                           ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-12-02 14:32             ` Andrew Lunn
2024-12-02 10:03 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2024-12-03 14:02   ` Nikita Yushchenko

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