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From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	Marc Dionne <marc.dionne@auristor.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>, Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>,
	Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@hammerspace.com>,
	Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, linux-afs@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net 03/24] crypto: Add 'krb5enc' hash and cipher AEAD algorithm
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2025 20:04:19 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250207200419.GA2819332@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250203142343.248839-4-dhowells@redhat.com>

On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 02:23:19PM +0000, David Howells wrote:
> [!] Note that the net/sunrpc/auth_gss/ implementation gets a pair of
> ciphers, one non-CTS and one CTS, using the former to do all the aligned
> blocks and the latter to do the last two blocks if they aren't also
> aligned.  It may be necessary to do this here too for performance reasons -
> but there are considerations both ways:
> 
>  (1) firstly, there is an optimised assembly version of cts(cbc(aes)) on
>      x86_64 that should be used instead of having two ciphers;
> 
>  (2) secondly, none of the hardware offload drivers seem to offer CTS
>      support (Intel QAT does not, for instance).
> 
> However, I don't know if it's possible to query the crypto API to find out
> whether there's an optimised CTS algorithm available.

Linux's "cts" is specifically the CS3 variant of CTS (using the terminology of
NIST SP800-38A https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.5555/2206248) which unconditionally
swaps the last two blocks.  Is that the variant that is needed here?  SP800-38A
mentions that CS3 is the variant used in Kerberos 5, so I assume yes.  If yes,
then you need to use cts(cbc(aes)) unconditionally.  (BTW, I hope you have some
test that shows that you actually implemented the Kerberos protocol correctly?)

x86_64 already has an AES-NI assembly optimized cts(cbc(aes)), as you mentioned.
I will probably add a VAES optimized cts(cbc(aes)) at some point; I've just been
doing other modes first.  I don't see why off-CPU hardware offload support
should deserve much attention here, given the extremely high speed of on-CPU
crypto these days and the great difficulty of integrating off-CPU acceleration
efficiently.  In particular it seems weird to consider Intel QAT a reasonable
thing to use over VAES.  Regardless, absent direct support for cts(cbc(aes)) the
cts template will build it on top of cbc(aes) anyway.

- Eric


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-02-07 20:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-03 14:23 [PATCH net 00/24] net/rxrpc, crypto: Add Kerberos crypto lib and AF_RXRPC GSSAPI security class David Howells
2025-02-03 14:23 ` [PATCH net 01/24] crypto/krb5: Add API Documentation David Howells
2025-02-03 14:23 ` [PATCH net 02/24] crypto/krb5: Add some constants out of sunrpc headers David Howells
2025-02-03 14:23 ` [PATCH net 03/24] crypto: Add 'krb5enc' hash and cipher AEAD algorithm David Howells
2025-02-07  8:56   ` Herbert Xu
2025-02-07 20:04   ` Eric Biggers [this message]
2025-02-09 17:53   ` David Howells
2025-02-09 18:37   ` David Howells
2025-02-09 19:05     ` Eric Biggers
2025-02-10  8:10     ` Herbert Xu
2025-03-18 10:51   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-03-18 11:09   ` David Howells
2025-02-03 14:23 ` [PATCH net 04/24] crypto/krb5: Test manager data David Howells
2025-02-03 14:23 ` [PATCH net 05/24] crypto/krb5: Implement Kerberos crypto core David Howells
2025-02-03 14:23 ` [PATCH net 06/24] crypto/krb5: Add an API to query the layout of the crypto section David Howells
2025-02-03 14:23 ` [PATCH net 07/24] crypto/krb5: Add an API to alloc and prepare a crypto object David Howells
2025-02-03 14:23 ` [PATCH net 08/24] crypto/krb5: Add an API to perform requests David Howells
2025-02-03 14:23 ` [PATCH net 09/24] crypto/krb5: Provide infrastructure and key derivation David Howells
2025-02-03 14:23 ` [PATCH net 10/24] crypto/krb5: Implement the Kerberos5 rfc3961 " David Howells
2025-02-03 14:23 ` [PATCH net 11/24] crypto/krb5: Provide RFC3961 setkey packaging functions David Howells
2025-02-03 14:23 ` [PATCH net 12/24] crypto/krb5: Implement the Kerberos5 rfc3961 encrypt and decrypt functions David Howells
2025-02-03 14:23 ` [PATCH net 13/24] crypto/krb5: Implement the Kerberos5 rfc3961 get_mic and verify_mic David Howells
2025-02-03 14:23 ` [PATCH net 14/24] crypto/krb5: Implement the AES enctypes from rfc3962 David Howells
2025-02-03 14:23 ` [PATCH net 15/24] crypto/krb5: Implement the AES enctypes from rfc8009 David Howells
2025-02-03 14:23 ` [PATCH net 16/24] crypto/krb5: Implement the Camellia enctypes from rfc6803 David Howells
2025-02-03 14:23 ` [PATCH net 17/24] crypto/krb5: Implement crypto self-testing David Howells
2025-02-03 14:23 ` [PATCH net 18/24] rxrpc: Pull out certain app callback funcs into an ops table David Howells
2025-02-03 14:23 ` [PATCH net 19/24] rxrpc: Pass CHALLENGE packets to the call for recvmsg() to respond to David Howells
2025-02-03 14:23 ` [PATCH net 20/24] rxrpc: Add the security index for yfs-rxgk David Howells
2025-02-06  9:54   ` Jeffrey Altman
2025-02-03 14:23 ` [PATCH net 21/24] rxrpc: Add YFS RxGK (GSSAPI) security class David Howells
2025-02-03 14:23 ` [PATCH net 22/24] rxrpc: rxgk: Provide infrastructure and key derivation David Howells
2025-02-03 14:23 ` [PATCH net 23/24] rxrpc: rxgk: Implement the yfs-rxgk security class (GSSAPI) David Howells
2025-02-03 14:23 ` [PATCH net 24/24] rxrpc: rxgk: Implement connection rekeying David Howells
2025-02-03 14:51 ` [PATCH net 00/24] net/rxrpc, crypto: Add Kerberos crypto lib and AF_RXRPC GSSAPI security class David Howells

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