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Unal" , Daniel Golle , "David S. Miller" , DENG Qingfang , Eric Dumazet , Jakub Kicinski , linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-mediatek@lists.infradead.org, Matthias Brugger , netdev@vger.kernel.org, Paolo Abeni , Sean Wang , Simon Horman Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 2/3] net: dsa: allow use of phylink managed EEE support Message-ID: <20250207213823.2uofelxulqxpdtka@skbuf> References: <20250207151959.jab2c36oejmdhf3k@skbuf> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: netdev@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 03:33:46PM +0000, Russell King (Oracle) wrote: > Bah - actually I _did_ update the patch, but in a different tree: I'm glad there's a reasonable explanation for what appears to be an oversight on your part, and I wish to make nothing more out of the event in itself. I just want you to know that it was really hard for me, looking back in that thread to make sure I'm not misremembering that I asked for this change, to get reminded how quick you were to jump to an insulting and sarcastic conclusion in that same reply. It was a shit reaction and it really didn't sit well with me then, and it still doesn't sit any better re-reading it 3 weeks later either. I don't like it that the more subtle hints apparently pass you by, like me leaving a link to your entire reply, so I have to tell you straight, even though I like that even less. I want to respect you and I'm very careful with my words around you, Russell, but I need to know that you're mindful of your own reactions too, because otherwise it makes me feel that we're on an unequal footing. Whenever you make a sarcastic comment about how people don't do what you expect them to, as if the only possible explanation is that they must not have read what you said, because if they did they must be dumb or something, you just put yourself up on a pedestal where you're above making mistakes and above misunderstanding or not thinking things through - which is such an obtuse way of looking at life. And so, when you make mistakes like all humans do, it's really hard for me to react in a way that isn't just giving you back a little bit of your own venom. But I've tried that before, and it led nowhere, so now I'm trying to be kind, which to my desperation seems to be treated neutrally/not seen, and it's just too much for me. You know how with Andrew, whenever he says something on the mailing lists that you disagree with, you never make a sarcastic comment about it? I want that too, and not because I dare to compare myself with Andrew technically, but because the way in which you treat a human should not be based solely on your respect for their technical prowess, and you shouldn't get away with reactions that stink because you're good technically.