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Unal" , Daniel Golle , "David S. Miller" , DENG Qingfang , Eric Dumazet , Jakub Kicinski , linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-mediatek@lists.infradead.org, Matthias Brugger , netdev@vger.kernel.org, Paolo Abeni , Sean Wang , Simon Horman Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 2/3] net: dsa: allow use of phylink managed EEE support Message-ID: <20250210123701.7gdt56l5m6t5c6ge@skbuf> References: <20250207151959.jab2c36oejmdhf3k@skbuf> <20250207213823.2uofelxulqxpdtka@skbuf> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: netdev@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 10:24:27PM +0000, Russell King (Oracle) wrote: > You may have noticed that I'm no longer putting as much effort into > cover messages - and this is precisely why. I honestly don't see > that there's any point in spending much time on cover messages anymore. I have things to do and places to be, and I'm sure you do too, so I won't drag this out more than I need to. I'll just give you one self-contained example of what bothers me, from this very thread. I'm not even expecting you to change all of a sudden, I know it's hard and takes time and a deeper understanding of what is happening. First of all, if "I tend not to read cover messages" isn't sarcastic when you've make it pretty obvious so many times that this is important to you, then I don't know what sarcasm is. So, your message starts off from the very beginning by not acknowledging the way in which your reaction is perceived. Then, your message goes off to justify your reaction by essentially reiterating what you've publicly said elsewhere about not being noticed, making things sew with no Singer sewing machines required, and what not. Apart from the fact that you seem to build certain expectations of others' reactions in your mind and behave bizarrely when they react differently to how you expect (or not at all), my personal problem is that you've responded to a complaint which was really hard for me to verbalize by talking about you, again. Everything I've said in the previous email, about you expecting more respect and attention than you are willing to give, still stands. You are an important and valued member of the community, but you don't have to be so hard on people when they don't rise to your expectations. Your inflexibility makes it difficult at least for me to find a place around you.