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From: Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>
To: Andy Gospodarek <andrew.gospodarek@broadcom.com>
Cc: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	Saeed Mahameed <saeedm@nvidia.com>,
	Aron Silverton <aron.silverton@oracle.com>,
	Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	Dave Jiang <dave.jiang@intel.com>,
	David Ahern <dsahern@kernel.org>,
	Andy Gospodarek <gospo@broadcom.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Itay Avraham <itayavr@nvidia.com>, Jiri Pirko <jiri@nvidia.com>,
	Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com>,
	Leonid Bloch <lbloch@nvidia.com>,
	linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, "Nelson,
	Shannon" <shannon.nelson@amd.com>,
	Michael Chan <michael.chan@broadcom.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 10/10] bnxt: Create an auxiliary device for fwctl_bnxt
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 16:20:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250212142013.GH17863@unreal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACDg6nWiSbBV=Ls=Rts=vsx0V7pKHX0ZztbKJL_UM0+u34uiZg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 09:27:08AM -0500, Andy Gospodarek wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 2:55 AM Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 10, 2025 at 05:04:23PM -0800, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> > > On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 21:16:47 -0400 Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Feb 07, 2025 at 01:51:11PM -0800, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > But if you agree the netdev doesn't need it seems like a fairly
> > > > > straightforward way to unblock your progress.
> > > >
> > > > I'm trying to understand what you are suggesting here.
> > > >
> > > > We have many scenarios where mlx5_core spawns all kinds of different
> > > > devices, including recovery cases where there is no networking at all
> > > > and only fwctl. So we can't just discard the aux dev or mlx5_core
> > > > triggered setup without breaking scenarios.
> > > >
> > > > However, you seem to be suggesting that netdev-only configurations (ie
> > > > netdev loaded but no rdma loaded) should disable fwctl. Is that the
> > > > case? All else would remain the same. It is very ugly but I could see
> > > > a technical path to do it, and would consider it if that brings peace.
> > >
> > > Yes, when RDMA driver is not loaded there should be no access to fwctl.
> >
> > There are users mentioned in cover letter, which need FWCTL without RDMA.
> > https://lore.kernel.org/all/0-v4-0cf4ec3b8143+4995-fwctl_jgg@nvidia.com/
> >
> > I want to suggest something different. What about to move all XXX_core
> > logic (mlx5_core, bnxt_core, e.t.c.) from netdev to some other dedicated
> > place?
> >
> 
> I understand the logic in your statement, but I do not want to
> separate/split PCI driver from the NIC driver for bnxt-based devices.

It is just an idea and there is no need to worry yet. There is no
evidence that netdev community will allow such move. 

> 
> We can look at doing that for future generations of hardware, but
> splitting/switching drivers for existing hardware creates a poor
> user-experience for distro users.

It is already solved with module autoload, dependencies and aliases.

Thanks

  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-12 14:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-07  0:13 [PATCH v4 00/10] Introduce fwctl subystem Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-07  0:13 ` [PATCH v4 01/10] fwctl: Add basic structure for a class subsystem with a cdev Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-07 23:32   ` Dan Williams
2025-02-07 23:55     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-08  0:08   ` Dave Jiang
2025-02-07  0:13 ` [PATCH v4 02/10] fwctl: Basic ioctl dispatch for the character device Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-07 12:59   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-02-07 13:52     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-08  0:16   ` Dave Jiang
2025-02-10 15:24     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-13 12:42   ` Przemek Kitszel
2025-02-13 18:52     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-07  0:13 ` [PATCH v4 03/10] fwctl: FWCTL_INFO to return basic information about the device Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-07 13:06   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-02-07 14:23     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-08  0:21   ` Dave Jiang
2025-02-07  0:13 ` [PATCH v4 04/10] taint: Add TAINT_FWCTL Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-07 13:09   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-02-08  0:24   ` Dave Jiang
2025-02-07  0:13 ` [PATCH v4 05/10] fwctl: FWCTL_RPC to execute a Remote Procedure Call to device firmware Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-08  0:28   ` Dave Jiang
2025-02-07  0:13 ` [PATCH v4 06/10] fwctl: Add documentation Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-07 14:42   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-02-10 15:17     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-08  0:40   ` Dave Jiang
2025-02-07  0:13 ` [PATCH v4 07/10] fwctl/mlx5: Support for communicating with mlx5 fw Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-13 13:19   ` Przemek Kitszel
2025-02-13 14:25     ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-02-13 19:18     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-07  0:13 ` [PATCH v4 08/10] mlx5: Create an auxiliary device for fwctl_mlx5 Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-07  0:13 ` [PATCH v4 09/10] fwctl/bnxt: Support communicating with bnxt fw Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-07 14:59   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-02-07 15:03     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-07  0:13 ` [PATCH v4 10/10] bnxt: Create an auxiliary device for fwctl_bnxt Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-07  0:44   ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-02-07  3:17     ` Andy Gospodarek
2025-02-07 12:46       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-07 15:36       ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-02-07 20:25         ` Saeed Mahameed
2025-02-07 21:51           ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-02-08  1:10             ` Saeed Mahameed
2025-02-08  1:16             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-08  3:24               ` Andy Gospodarek
2025-02-11  1:04               ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-02-11  7:55                 ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-02-11 14:27                   ` Andy Gospodarek
2025-02-12 14:20                     ` Leon Romanovsky [this message]
2025-02-11 18:36                   ` Nelson, Shannon
2025-02-12 13:22                     ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-02-14  1:03                       ` Saeed Mahameed
2025-02-17 12:49                         ` Jiri Pirko
2025-02-17 19:02                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-02-11 16:24                 ` David Ahern
2025-02-18 20:05                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-18 21:42                     ` David Ahern
2025-02-18 23:31                       ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-02-24 22:34                         ` Saeed Mahameed
2025-02-07 23:29         ` Andy Gospodarek
2025-02-08  0:08           ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-02-07 21:41 ` [PATCH v4 00/10] Introduce fwctl subystem Dan Williams
2025-02-07 21:58 ` Dave Jiang
2025-02-11  9:33   ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-02-13 17:55     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-13 17:52   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-02-12 22:21 ` Zhu Yanjun
2025-02-13  2:30 ` Nelson, Shannon
2025-02-13 18:02   ` Jason Gunthorpe

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