From: Maxime Chevallier <maxime.chevallier@bootlin.com>
To: "Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
Cc: "Andrew Lunn" <andrew@lunn.ch>, "Bjørn Mork" <bjorn@mork.no>,
davem@davemloft.net, "Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
"Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
"Heiner Kallweit" <hkallweit1@gmail.com>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
thomas.petazzoni@bootlin.com,
"Florian Fainelli" <f.fainelli@gmail.com>,
"Köry Maincent" <kory.maincent@bootlin.com>,
"Simon Horman" <horms@kernel.org>,
"Romain Gantois" <romain.gantois@bootlin.com>,
"Antoine Tenart" <atenart@kernel.org>,
"Marek Behún" <kabel@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 0/2] net: phy: sfp: Add single-byte SMBus SFP access
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 09:08:58 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250225090858.0d07cc24@fedora.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250224172407.32a2b3f8@fedora>
On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 17:24:07 +0100
Maxime Chevallier <maxime.chevallier@bootlin.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Feb 2025 13:48:19 +0000
> "Russell King (Oracle)" <linux@armlinux.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 02:31:42PM +0100, Andrew Lunn wrote:
> > > > What do you think will be the effect of such a warning? Who is the
> > > > target audience?
> > >
> > > It will act as a disclaimer. The kernel is doing its best with broken
> > > hardware, but don't blame the kernel when it does not work
> > > correctly....
> >
> > Indeed.
> >
> > > > You can obviously add it, and I don't really care. But I believe the
> > > > result will be an endless stream of end users worrying about this scary
> > > > warning and wanting to know what they can do about it. What will be
> > > > your answer?
> > >
> > > I agree that the wording needs to be though about. Maybe something
> > > like:
> > >
> > > This hardware is broken by design, and there is nothing the kernel, or
> > > the community can do about it. The kernel will try its best, but some
> > > standard SFP features are disabled, and the features which are
> > > implemented may not work correctly because of the design errors. Use
> > > with caution, and don't blame the kernel when it all goes horribly
> > > wrong.
> >
> > I was hoping for something shorter, but I think it needs to be expansive
> > so that users can fully understand. Another idea based on your
> > suggestion above:
> >
> > "Please note:
> > This hardware is broken by design. There is nothing that the kernel or
> > community can do to fix it. The kernel will try best efforts, but some
> > features are disabled, other features may be unreliable or sporadically
> > fail. Use with caution. Please verify any problems on hardware that
> > supports multi-byte I2C transactions."
> >
>
> I think what's missing in this message is some indication about what is
> actually wrong with the hardware, so :
I realise that I have formulated the sentence above a bit strongly, of
course this is a suggestion :)
> "Please note:
> This SFP cage is accessed via an SMBus only capable of single byte
> transactions. Some features are disabled, other may be unreliable or
> sporadically fail. Use with caution. There is nothing that the kernel
> or community can do to fix it, the kernel will try best efforts. Please
> verify any problems on hardware that supports multi-byte I2C transactions."
Maxime
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-02-25 8:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-02-23 17:28 [PATCH net-next 0/2] net: phy: sfp: Add single-byte SMBus SFP access Maxime Chevallier
2025-02-23 17:28 ` [PATCH net-next 1/2] net: phy: sfp: Add support for SMBus module access Maxime Chevallier
2025-02-23 17:28 ` [PATCH net-next 2/2] net: mdio: mdio-i2c: Add support for single-byte SMBus operations Maxime Chevallier
2025-02-24 3:36 ` Andrew Lunn
2025-02-24 10:03 ` Maxime Chevallier
2025-02-23 17:40 ` [PATCH net-next 0/2] net: phy: sfp: Add single-byte SMBus SFP access Russell King (Oracle)
2025-02-23 17:48 ` Maxime Chevallier
2025-02-25 12:38 ` Bjørn Mork
2025-02-25 13:06 ` Maxime Chevallier
2025-02-25 13:29 ` Andrew Lunn
2025-02-25 17:15 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-02-25 18:07 ` Bjørn Mork
2025-02-25 18:40 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-02-23 18:37 ` Bjørn Mork
2025-02-23 20:31 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-02-24 3:32 ` Andrew Lunn
2025-02-24 7:13 ` Bjørn Mork
2025-02-24 8:47 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-02-24 9:35 ` Maxime Chevallier
2025-02-24 13:31 ` Andrew Lunn
2025-02-24 13:48 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-02-24 14:18 ` Andrew Lunn
2025-02-24 14:32 ` Marek Behún
2025-02-24 14:38 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2025-02-24 16:24 ` Maxime Chevallier
2025-02-25 8:08 ` Maxime Chevallier [this message]
2025-02-24 9:38 ` Maxime Chevallier
2025-02-24 10:36 ` Marek Behún
2025-02-24 16:30 ` Sean Anderson
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