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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Sean Hefty <shefty@nvidia.com>
Cc: Bernard Metzler <BMT@zurich.ibm.com>,
	Roland Dreier <roland@enfabrica.net>,
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	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/13] Ultra Ethernet driver introduction
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2025 16:39:20 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250401193920.GD325917@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR12MB43130D3131B760AF2A0C569ABDAC2@DM6PR12MB4313.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

On Tue, Apr 01, 2025 at 04:57:52PM +0000, Sean Hefty wrote:
> > > Specifically, I want to *allow* separating the different functions
> > > that a single PD provides into separate PDs.  The functions being page
> > > mapping (registration), local (lkey) access, and remote (rkey) access.
> > 
> > That seems like quite a stretch for the PD.. Especially from a verbs perspective
> > we do expect single PD and that is the entire security context.
> 
> From the viewpoint of a transport, the target QPN and incoming rkey
> must align on some backing security object (let's call that the PD).
> As a model, I view this as there needs to exist some {QPN, rkey, PD
> ID} tuple with appropriate memory access permissions.

Yes, but I'd say the IBTA modeling has the network headers select a PD
and then the PD limits what objects that packet can reach.

I still think that is a good starting point, and if there is more fine
grained limitations then I'd say each object has an additional ACL
list about what subset of the network headers (already within the PD)
that it can accept.

> The change here is to expand that tuple to include a job id: {QPN, rkey, job ID, PD ID}.

IB does QPN -> PD, if you do Job -> PD I think that would make
sense. If the QP is providing additional restriction that would be a
job for ACLs..

> I don't know that I can talk about the UEC spec, 

Right, it is too early to talk about UEC and Linux until people can
freely talk about what it actually needs.

> I can envision a job manager creating, sharing, and possibly
> controlling the PD-related resources.

Really? Beyond Job, what would make sense? Addressing Handles?

I wondering if addressing handles are really part of the job..

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-01 19:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-06 23:01 [RFC PATCH 00/13] Ultra Ethernet driver introduction Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-06 23:01 ` [RFC PATCH 01/13] drivers: ultraeth: add initial skeleton and kconfig option Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-06 23:01 ` [RFC PATCH 02/13] drivers: ultraeth: add context support Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-06 23:01 ` [RFC PATCH 03/13] drivers: ultraeth: add new genl family Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-06 23:01 ` [RFC PATCH 04/13] drivers: ultraeth: add job support Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-06 23:01 ` [RFC PATCH 05/13] drivers: ultraeth: add tunnel udp device support Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-06 23:01 ` [RFC PATCH 06/13] drivers: ultraeth: add initial PDS infrastructure Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-06 23:01 ` [RFC PATCH 07/13] drivers: ultraeth: add request and ack receive support Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-06 23:01 ` [RFC PATCH 08/13] drivers: ultraeth: add request transmit support Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-06 23:01 ` [RFC PATCH 09/13] drivers: ultraeth: add support for coalescing ack Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-06 23:02 ` [RFC PATCH 10/13] drivers: ultraeth: add sack support Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-06 23:02 ` [RFC PATCH 11/13] drivers: ultraeth: add nack support Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-06 23:02 ` [RFC PATCH 12/13] drivers: ultraeth: add initiator and target idle timeout support Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-06 23:02 ` [RFC PATCH 13/13] HACK: drivers: ultraeth: add char device Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-08 18:46 ` [RFC PATCH 00/13] Ultra Ethernet driver introduction Leon Romanovsky
2025-03-09  3:21   ` Parav Pandit
2025-03-11 14:20     ` Bernard Metzler
2025-03-11 14:55       ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-03-11 17:11       ` Sean Hefty
2025-03-12  9:20         ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-12  9:40   ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-12 11:29     ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-03-12 14:20       ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-12 15:10         ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-03-12 16:00           ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-14 14:53           ` Bernard Metzler
2025-03-17 12:52             ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-03-19 13:52             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-19 14:02               ` Nikolay Aleksandrov
2025-03-14 20:51           ` Stanislav Fomichev
2025-03-17 12:30             ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-03-19 19:12               ` Stanislav Fomichev
2025-03-15 20:49           ` Netlink vs ioctl WAS(Re: " Jamal Hadi Salim
2025-03-17 12:57             ` Leon Romanovsky
2025-03-18 22:49             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-19 18:21               ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2025-03-19 19:19                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-25 14:12                   ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2025-03-26 15:50                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-04-08 14:16                       ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2025-04-09 16:10                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-19 16:48 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-20 11:13   ` Yunsheng Lin
2025-03-20 14:32     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-20 20:05       ` Sean Hefty
2025-03-20 20:12         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-21  2:02           ` Yunsheng Lin
2025-03-21 12:01             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-24 20:22   ` Roland Dreier
2025-03-24 21:28     ` Sean Hefty
2025-03-25 13:22       ` Bernard Metzler
2025-03-25 17:02         ` Sean Hefty
2025-03-26 14:45           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-26 15:29             ` Sean Hefty
2025-03-26 15:53               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-26 17:39                 ` Sean Hefty
2025-03-27 13:26                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-28 12:20                     ` Yunsheng Lin
2025-03-31 19:49                       ` Sean Hefty
2025-04-01  9:19                         ` Yunsheng Lin
2025-03-31 19:29                     ` Sean Hefty
2025-04-01 13:04                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-04-01 16:57                         ` Sean Hefty
2025-04-01 19:39                           ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2025-04-03  1:30                             ` Sean Hefty
2025-04-04 16:03                             ` Ziemba, Ian
2025-04-05  1:07                               ` Sean Hefty
2025-04-07 19:32                                 ` Ziemba, Ian
2025-04-08  4:40                                   ` Sean Hefty
2025-04-16 23:58                                   ` Sean Hefty
2025-04-17  1:23                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-04-17  2:59                                       ` Sean Hefty
2025-04-17 13:31                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-04-18 16:50                                           ` Sean Hefty
2025-04-22 15:44                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-03-26 15:16     ` Jason Gunthorpe

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