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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Stanislav Fomichev <stfomichev@gmail.com>
Cc: sdf@fomichev.me, Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@amazon.com>,
	andrew+netdev@lunn.ch, davem@davemloft.net, edumazet@google.com,
	horms@kernel.org, hramamurthy@google.com, jdamato@fastly.com,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, pabeni@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 6/8] netdev: depend on netdev->lock for xdp features
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 12:19:38 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250411121938.0afae1b3@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z_lUZgRc9JYhjnIG@mini-arch>

On Fri, 11 Apr 2025 10:41:58 -0700 Stanislav Fomichev wrote:
> > Ugh, REGISTER is ops locked we'd need conditional locking here.
> > 
> > Stanislav, I can make the REGISTERED notifier fully locked, right?
> > I suspect any new object we add that's protected by the instance
> > lock will want to lock the dev.  
> 
> Are you suggesting to do s/netdev_lock_ops/netdev_lock/ around
> call_netdevice_notifiers in register_netdevice?

Aha

> We can try, the biggest concern, as usual, are the stacking devices
> (with an extra lock), but casually grepping for NETDEV_REGISTER
> doesn't bring up anything suspicious.
> 
> But if you're gonna do conditional locking for NETDEV_UNREGISTER, any
> reason not to play it safe and add conditional locking to
> NETDEV_REGISTER in netdev_genl_netdevice_event?

Just trying to think what will lead to fewer problems down the line.

Let's me think it thru. So we have this situation:
 - device A - getting registered
 - device L - listens / has the notifier
with upper devs our concern is usually that taking the A's lock
around the notifier forces A -> L lock ordering (between A's instance
lock and whatever lock of L, can be either instance or some other).

If A is an arbitrary device then L has to already be ready to handle
its REGISTER callback under A's instance lock, because A may be ops
locked. So as you say for generic bonding/team changing lock type
is a noop.

If A is a specific device that L is looking for - changing the lock type
around REGISTER may impact L. /me goes to look at the code
Ugh there is a bunch of drivers that wait for a specific device to
register and then take a lock. Let me play it safe then...

  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-11 19:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-08 19:59 [PATCH net-next v2 0/8] net: depend on instance lock for queue related netlink ops Jakub Kicinski
2025-04-08 19:59 ` [PATCH net-next v2 1/8] net: avoid potential race between netdev_get_by_index_lock() and netns switch Jakub Kicinski
2025-04-08 19:59 ` [PATCH net-next v2 2/8] net: designate XSK pool pointers in queues as "ops protected" Jakub Kicinski
2025-04-08 19:59 ` [PATCH net-next v2 3/8] netdev: add "ops compat locking" helpers Jakub Kicinski
2025-04-08 19:59 ` [PATCH net-next v2 4/8] netdev: don't hold rtnl_lock over nl queue info get when possible Jakub Kicinski
2025-04-08 19:59 ` [PATCH net-next v2 5/8] xdp: double protect netdev->xdp_flags with netdev->lock Jakub Kicinski
2025-04-08 22:15   ` Harshitha Ramamurthy
2025-04-09 18:40   ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-04-08 19:59 ` [PATCH net-next v2 6/8] netdev: depend on netdev->lock for xdp features Jakub Kicinski
2025-04-10 17:10   ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-04-11  2:10     ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-04-11  2:23       ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-04-11 17:41         ` Stanislav Fomichev
2025-04-11 19:19           ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2025-04-11  2:36       ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-04-08 19:59 ` [PATCH net-next v2 7/8] docs: netdev: break down the instance locking info per ops struct Jakub Kicinski
2025-04-09  2:59   ` Joe Damato
2025-04-10  6:01   ` Jacob Keller
2025-04-10 16:08     ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-04-10 22:35       ` Keller, Jacob E
2025-04-10 23:39         ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-04-11 21:26           ` Jacob Keller
2025-04-08 19:59 ` [PATCH net-next v2 8/8] netdev: depend on netdev->lock for qstats in ops locked drivers Jakub Kicinski
2025-04-10  5:23   ` Jacob Keller
2025-04-10 23:46     ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-04-11 21:29       ` Jacob Keller
2025-04-10  0:40 ` [PATCH net-next v2 0/8] net: depend on instance lock for queue related netlink ops patchwork-bot+netdevbpf

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