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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Joe Damato <jdamato@fastly.com>
Cc: Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>,
	Samiullah Khawaja <skhawaja@google.com>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	almasrymina@google.com, willemb@google.com,
	mkarsten@uwaterloo.ca, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v5] Add support to set napi threaded for individual napi
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 11:38:45 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250428113845.543ca2b8@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aA_FErzTzz9BfDTc@LQ3V64L9R2>

On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 11:12:34 -0700 Joe Damato wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 26, 2025 at 10:41:10AM -0400, Willem de Bruijn wrote:
> > > Anyway: I have a preference for consistency  
> > 
> > +1
> > 
> > I don't think either solution is vastly better than the other, as
> > long as it is the path of least surprise. Different behavior for
> > different options breaks that rule.  
> 
> I agree and my feedback on the previous revision was that all NAPI
> config settings should work similarly. Whether that's what I already
> implemented for defer-hard-irq/gro-flush-timeout or something else I
> don't really have a strong preference.
> 
> Implementing something other than what already exists for
> defer-hard-irq/gro-flush-timeout, though, would probably mean you'll
> need to update how both of those work, for consistency.

Nobody will disagree with consistency being good. The question is how
broadly you define the scope :) If you say 'all settings within
napi-set' that's one level of consistency, if you say 'all netdev
netlink' then the picture is less clear.

> > This also reminds me of /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/{all, default, .. }
> > API. Which confuses me to this day.

Indeed. That scheme has the additional burden of not being consistently 
enforced :/ So I'm trying to lay down some rules (in the doc linked
upthread).

The concern I have with the write all semantics is what happens when
we delegate the control over a queue / NAPI to some application or
container. Is the expectation that some user space component prevents
the global settings from being re-applied when applications using
dedicated queues / NAPIs are running?

Second, more minor concern is that we expose all settings on all
sub-objects which I find slightly less clear for the admin. It's much
harder to tell at a glance which settings are overrides and which one
was the default.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-28 18:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-23 20:14 [PATCH net-next v5] Add support to set napi threaded for individual napi Samiullah Khawaja
2025-04-24 23:13 ` Joe Damato
2025-04-25 18:28   ` Samiullah Khawaja
2025-04-25 22:24     ` Joe Damato
2025-04-25 22:52       ` Samiullah Khawaja
2025-04-26  0:37         ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-04-26  2:34           ` Joe Damato
2025-04-26  2:47             ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-04-26  3:12               ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-04-26  3:53                 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2025-04-28 18:23                   ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-04-28 19:25                     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2025-04-25 23:06     ` Samiullah Khawaja
2025-04-26  0:42 ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-04-26  2:31   ` Joe Damato
2025-04-26 14:41     ` Willem de Bruijn
2025-04-28 18:12       ` Joe Damato
2025-04-28 18:38         ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2025-04-28 21:29           ` Joe Damato
2025-04-28 22:32             ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-04-30  0:16               ` Joe Damato
2025-05-03  2:10                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-05-03  3:04                   ` Joe Damato
2025-05-05 18:56                     ` Jakub Kicinski

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