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From: Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@amazon.com>
To: <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
Cc: <brauner@kernel.org>, <davem@davemloft.net>,
	<edumazet@google.com>, <horms@kernel.org>, <kuba@kernel.org>,
	<kuni1840@gmail.com>, <kuniyu@amazon.com>,
	<netdev@vger.kernel.org>, <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	<willemb@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 net-next 7/9] af_unix: Inherit sk_flags at connect().
Date: Fri, 16 May 2025 14:13:24 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250516211339.96747-1-kuniyu@amazon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6827a980d82c4_2d2d1f294e3@willemb.c.googlers.com.notmuch>

From: Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 16 May 2025 17:09:20 -0400
> Kuniyuki Iwashima wrote:
> > From: Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
> > Date: Fri, 16 May 2025 15:27:48 -0400
> > > Kuniyuki Iwashima wrote:
> > > > From: Willem de Bruijn <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>
> > > > Date: Fri, 16 May 2025 12:47:13 -0400
> > > > > Kuniyuki Iwashima wrote:
> > > > > > For SOCK_STREAM embryo sockets, the SO_PASS{CRED,PIDFD,SEC} options
> > > > > > are inherited from the parent listen()ing socket.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Currently, this inheritance happens at accept(), because these
> > > > > > attributes were stored in sk->sk_socket->flags and the struct socket
> > > > > > is not allocated until accept().
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This leads to unintentional behaviour.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > When a peer sends data to an embryo socket in the accept() queue,
> > > > > > unix_maybe_add_creds() embeds credentials into the skb, even if
> > > > > > neither the peer nor the listener has enabled these options.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > If the option is enabled, the embryo socket receives the ancillary
> > > > > > data after accept().  If not, the data is silently discarded.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This conservative approach works for SO_PASS{CRED,PIDFD,SEC}, but
> > > > > > would not for SO_PASSRIGHTS; once an SCM_RIGHTS with a hung file
> > > > > > descriptor was sent, it'd be game over.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Code LGTM, hence my Reviewed-by.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Just curious: could this case be handled in a way that does not
> > > > > require receivers explicitly disabling a dangerous default mode?
> > > > > 
> > > > > IIUC the issue is the receiver taking a file reference using fget_raw
> > > > > in scm_fp_copy from __scm_send, and if that is the last ref, it now
> > > > > will hang the receiver process waiting to close this last ref?
> > > > > 
> > > > > If so, could the unwelcome ref be detected at accept, and taken from
> > > > > the responsibility of this process? Worst case, assigned to some
> > > > > zombie process.
> > > > 
> > > > I had the same idea and I think it's doable but complicated.
> > > > 
> > > > We can't detect such a hung fd until we actually do close() it (*), so
> > > > the workaround at recvmsg() would be always call an extra fget_raw()
> > > > and queue the fd to another task (kthread or workqueue?).
> > > > 
> > > > The task can't release the ref until it can ensure that the receiver
> > > > of fd has close()d it, so the task will need to check ref == 1
> > > > preodically.
> > > > 
> > > > But, once the task gets stuck, we need to add another task, or all
> > > > fds will be leaked for a while.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > (*) With bpf lsm, we will be able to inspect such fd at sendmsg() but
> > > > still can't know if it will really hang at close() especially if it's of
> > > > NFS.
> > > > https://github.com/q2ven/linux/commit/a9f03f88430242d231682bfe7c19623b7584505a
> > > 
> > > Thanks. Yeah, I had not thought it through as much, but this is
> > > definitely complex. Not sure even what the is_hung condition would be
> > > exactly.
> > > 
> > > Given that not wanting to receive untrusted FDs from untrusted peers
> > > is quite common, perhaps a likely eventual follow-on to this series is
> > > a per-netns sysctl to change the default.
> > 
> > Makes sense, I'll add a follow-up patch in the LSM series.
> 
> Only if you think it is useful, of course. I don't mean to ask you to
> do extra work, let alone add APIs unless there are real users.

Ah okay, I'll leave it as is :)

  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-16 21:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-15 22:49 [PATCH v4 net-next 0/9] af_unix: Introduce SO_PASSRIGHTS Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-15 22:49 ` [PATCH v4 net-next 1/9] af_unix: Factorise test_bit() for SOCK_PASSCRED and SOCK_PASSPIDFD Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-16 16:28   ` Willem de Bruijn
2025-05-15 22:49 ` [PATCH v4 net-next 2/9] af_unix: Don't pass struct socket to maybe_add_creds() Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-15 22:49 ` [PATCH v4 net-next 3/9] scm: Move scm_recv() from scm.h to scm.c Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-15 22:49 ` [PATCH v4 net-next 4/9] tcp: Restrict SO_TXREHASH to TCP socket Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-15 22:49 ` [PATCH v4 net-next 5/9] net: Restrict SO_PASS{CRED,PIDFD,SEC} to AF_{UNIX,NETLINK,BLUETOOTH} Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-15 22:49 ` [PATCH v4 net-next 6/9] af_unix: Move SOCK_PASS{CRED,PIDFD,SEC} to struct sock Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-16 16:29   ` Willem de Bruijn
2025-05-15 22:49 ` [PATCH v4 net-next 7/9] af_unix: Inherit sk_flags at connect() Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-16 16:47   ` Willem de Bruijn
2025-05-16 17:22     ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-16 19:27       ` Willem de Bruijn
2025-05-16 20:54         ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-16 21:09           ` Willem de Bruijn
2025-05-16 21:13             ` Kuniyuki Iwashima [this message]
2025-05-15 22:49 ` [PATCH v4 net-next 8/9] af_unix: Introduce SO_PASSRIGHTS Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-16 16:30   ` Willem de Bruijn
2025-05-15 22:49 ` [PATCH v4 net-next 9/9] selftest: af_unix: Test SO_PASSRIGHTS Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-05-16 16:30   ` Willem de Bruijn
2025-05-19 14:00 ` [PATCH v4 net-next 0/9] af_unix: Introduce SO_PASSRIGHTS Jakub Kicinski
2025-05-19 17:09   ` Kuniyuki Iwashima

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