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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuni1840@gmail.com>
Cc: davem@davemloft.net, edumazet@google.com, horms@kernel.org,
	jbaron@akamai.com, kuniyu@google.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	pabeni@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 3/3] netlink: Fix wraparound of sk->sk_rmem_alloc
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2025 15:03:57 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250624150357.247c9468@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250624170933.419907-1-kuni1840@gmail.com>

On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 10:08:41 -0700 Kuniyuki Iwashima wrote:
> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2025 07:11:57 -0700
> From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
> > On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 09:55:15 +0200 Paolo Abeni wrote:  
> > > > To be clear -- are you saying we should fix this differently?
> > > > Or perhaps that the problem doesn't exist? The change doesn't
> > > > seem very intrusive..    
> > > 
> > > AFAICS the race is possible even with netlink as netlink_unicast() runs
> > > without the socket lock, too.
> > > 
> > > The point is that for UDP the scenario with multiple threads enqueuing a
> > > packet into the same socket is a critical path, optimizing for
> > > performances and allowing some memory accounting inaccuracy makes sense.
> > > 
> > > For netlink socket, that scenario looks a patological one and I think we
> > > should prefer accuracy instead of optimization.  
> > 
> > Could you ELI5 what you mean? Are you suggesting a lock around every
> > sk_rmem write for netlink sockets? 
> > If we think this is an attack vector the attacker can simply use a UDP
> > socket instead. Or do you think it'd lead to simpler code?  
> 
> I was wondering if atomic_add_return() is expensive for netlink,
> and if not, we could use it like below. 

Ah, got it. That does look simpler. 

nit: Please don't hide the atomic_add_return() in local variable init,
as it need validation and error handling.

> I'm also not sure we want to keep the allow-at-least-one-skb rule for
> netlink though, which comes from the first condition in
> __sock_queue_rcv_skb() for UDP in the past, IIRC.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-24 22:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-18 23:13 [PATCH net-next v2 0/3] Fix netlink rcvbuf wraparound Jason Baron
2025-06-18 23:13 ` [PATCH net-next v2 1/3] net: add sock_rcvbuf_has_space() helper Jason Baron
2025-06-18 23:13 ` [PATCH net-next v2 2/3] udp: use __sock_rcvbuf_has_space() helper Jason Baron
2025-06-18 23:13 ` [PATCH net-next v2 3/3] netlink: Fix wraparound of sk->sk_rmem_alloc Jason Baron
2025-06-19  6:13   ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-06-23 23:35     ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-06-24  7:55       ` Paolo Abeni
2025-06-24 13:57         ` Jason Baron
2025-06-24 14:11         ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-06-24 17:08           ` Kuniyuki Iwashima
2025-06-24 22:03             ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2025-06-25 16:56               ` Kuniyuki Iwashima

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