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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: Simon Schippers <simon.schippers@tu-dortmund.de>,
	willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com, eperezma@redhat.com,
	stephen@networkplumber.org, leiyang@redhat.com,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux.dev, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v5 0/8] TUN/TAP & vhost_net: netdev queue flow control to avoid ptr_ring tail drop
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2025 03:41:56 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250924034112-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACGkMEuriTgw4+bFPiPU-1ptipt-WKvHdavM53ANwkr=iSvYYg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 03:33:08PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 3:18 PM Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 23, 2025 at 12:15:45AM +0200, Simon Schippers wrote:
> > > This patch series deals with TUN, TAP and vhost_net which drop incoming
> > > SKBs whenever their internal ptr_ring buffer is full. Instead, with this
> > > patch series, the associated netdev queue is stopped before this happens.
> > > This allows the connected qdisc to function correctly as reported by [1]
> > > and improves application-layer performance, see our paper [2]. Meanwhile
> > > the theoretical performance differs only slightly:
> >
> >
> > About this whole approach.
> > What if userspace is not consuming packets?
> > Won't the watchdog warnings appear?
> > Is it safe to allow userspace to block a tx queue
> > indefinitely?
> 
> I think it's safe as it's a userspace device, there's no way to
> guarantee the userspace can process the packet in time (so no watchdog
> for TUN).
> 
> Thanks

Hmm. Anyway, I guess if we ever want to enable timeout for tun,
we can worry about it then. Does not need to block this patchset.

> >
> > --
> > MST
> >


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-24  7:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-22 22:15 [PATCH net-next v5 0/8] TUN/TAP & vhost_net: netdev queue flow control to avoid ptr_ring tail drop Simon Schippers
2025-09-22 22:15 ` [PATCH net-next v5 1/8] __ptr_ring_full_next: Returns if ring will be full after next insertion Simon Schippers
2025-09-22 22:15 ` [PATCH net-next v5 2/8] Move the decision of invalidation out of __ptr_ring_discard_one Simon Schippers
2025-09-22 22:15 ` [PATCH net-next v5 3/8] TUN, TAP & vhost_net: Stop netdev queue before reaching a full ptr_ring Simon Schippers
2025-09-23 14:47   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-24  5:41     ` Simon Schippers
2025-09-24  5:50       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-22 22:15 ` [PATCH net-next v5 4/8] TUN & TAP: Wake netdev queue after consuming an entry Simon Schippers
2025-09-23 14:54   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-23 16:36   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-24  5:56     ` Simon Schippers
2025-09-24  6:55       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-24  7:42         ` Simon Schippers
2025-09-24  7:49           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-24  8:40             ` Simon Schippers
2025-09-24  9:00               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-28 21:27     ` Simon Schippers
2025-09-28 22:33       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-29  9:43         ` Simon Schippers
2025-10-11  9:15           ` Simon Schippers
2025-09-22 22:15 ` [PATCH net-next v5 5/8] TUN & TAP: Provide ptr_ring_consume_batched wrappers for vhost_net Simon Schippers
2025-09-23 16:23   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-22 22:15 ` [PATCH net-next v5 6/8] TUN & TAP: Provide ptr_ring_unconsume " Simon Schippers
2025-09-22 22:15 ` [PATCH net-next v5 7/8] TUN & TAP: Methods to determine whether file is TUN/TAP " Simon Schippers
2025-09-22 22:15 ` [PATCH net-next v5 8/8] vhost_net: Replace rx_ring with calls of TUN/TAP wrappers Simon Schippers
2025-09-23 14:14   ` kernel test robot
2025-09-26 13:47   ` kernel test robot
2025-09-23 14:55 ` [PATCH net-next v5 0/8] TUN/TAP & vhost_net: netdev queue flow control to avoid ptr_ring tail drop Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-24  5:59   ` Simon Schippers
2025-09-24  6:12     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-24  7:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-24  7:33   ` Jason Wang
2025-09-24  7:41     ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2025-09-24  8:08       ` Jason Wang
2025-09-24  8:09         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-24  8:30           ` Jason Wang
2025-09-24  8:54             ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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