From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Simon Schippers <simon.schippers@tu-dortmund.de>
Cc: willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com, jasowang@redhat.com,
eperezma@redhat.com, stephen@networkplumber.org,
leiyang@redhat.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.linux.dev,
kvm@vger.kernel.org, Tim Gebauer <tim.gebauer@tu-dortmund.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v5 4/8] TUN & TAP: Wake netdev queue after consuming an entry
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2025 05:00:46 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250924045554-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9e7b0931-afde-4b14-8a6e-372bda6cf95e@tu-dortmund.de>
On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 10:40:04AM +0200, Simon Schippers wrote:
> On 24.09.25 09:49, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 09:42:45AM +0200, Simon Schippers wrote:
> >> On 24.09.25 08:55, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 07:56:33AM +0200, Simon Schippers wrote:
> >>>> On 23.09.25 18:36, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2025 at 12:15:49AM +0200, Simon Schippers wrote:
> >>>>>> The new wrappers tun_ring_consume/tap_ring_consume deal with consuming an
> >>>>>> entry of the ptr_ring and then waking the netdev queue when entries got
> >>>>>> invalidated to be used again by the producer.
> >>>>>> To avoid waking the netdev queue when the ptr_ring is full, it is checked
> >>>>>> if the netdev queue is stopped before invalidating entries. Like that the
> >>>>>> netdev queue can be safely woken after invalidating entries.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The READ_ONCE in __ptr_ring_peek, paired with the smp_wmb() in
> >>>>>> __ptr_ring_produce within tun_net_xmit guarantees that the information
> >>>>>> about the netdev queue being stopped is visible after __ptr_ring_peek is
> >>>>>> called.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The netdev queue is also woken after resizing the ptr_ring.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Co-developed-by: Tim Gebauer <tim.gebauer@tu-dortmund.de>
> >>>>>> Signed-off-by: Tim Gebauer <tim.gebauer@tu-dortmund.de>
> >>>>>> Signed-off-by: Simon Schippers <simon.schippers@tu-dortmund.de>
> >>>>>> ---
> >>>>>> drivers/net/tap.c | 44 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
> >>>>>> drivers/net/tun.c | 47 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--
> >>>>>> 2 files changed, 88 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> diff --git a/drivers/net/tap.c b/drivers/net/tap.c
> >>>>>> index 1197f245e873..f8292721a9d6 100644
> >>>>>> --- a/drivers/net/tap.c
> >>>>>> +++ b/drivers/net/tap.c
> >>>>>> @@ -753,6 +753,46 @@ static ssize_t tap_put_user(struct tap_queue *q,
> >>>>>> return ret ? ret : total;
> >>>>>> }
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> +static struct sk_buff *tap_ring_consume(struct tap_queue *q)
> >>>>>> +{
> >>>>>> + struct netdev_queue *txq;
> >>>>>> + struct net_device *dev;
> >>>>>> + bool will_invalidate;
> >>>>>> + bool stopped;
> >>>>>> + void *ptr;
> >>>>>> +
> >>>>>> + spin_lock(&q->ring.consumer_lock);
> >>>>>> + ptr = __ptr_ring_peek(&q->ring);
> >>>>>> + if (!ptr) {
> >>>>>> + spin_unlock(&q->ring.consumer_lock);
> >>>>>> + return ptr;
> >>>>>> + }
> >>>>>> +
> >>>>>> + /* Check if the queue stopped before zeroing out, so no ptr get
> >>>>>> + * produced in the meantime, because this could result in waking
> >>>>>> + * even though the ptr_ring is full.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So what? Maybe it would be a bit suboptimal? But with your design, I do
> >>>>> not get what prevents this:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> stopped? -> No
> >>>>> ring is stopped
> >>>>> discard
> >>>>>
> >>>>> and queue stays stopped forever
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I totally missed this (but I am not sure why it did not happen in my
> >>>> testing with different ptr_ring sizes..).
> >>>>
> >>>> I guess you are right, there must be some type of locking.
> >>>> It probably makes sense to lock the netdev txq->_xmit_lock whenever the
> >>>> consumer invalidates old ptr_ring entries (so when r->consumer_head >=
> >>>> r->consumer_tail). The producer holds this lock with dev->lltx=false. Then
> >>>> the consumer is able to wake the queue safely.
> >>>>
> >>>> So I would now just change the implementation to:
> >>>> tun_net_xmit:
> >>>> ...
> >>>> if ptr_ring_produce
> >>>> // Could happen because of unproduce in vhost_net..
> >>>> netif_tx_stop_queue
> >>>> ...
> >>>> goto drop
> >>>>
> >>>> if ptr_ring_full
> >>>> netif_tx_stop_queue
> >>>> ...
> >>>>
> >>>> tun_ring_recv/tap_do_read (the implementation for the batched methods
> >>>> would be done in the similar way):
> >>>> ...
> >>>> ptr_ring_consume
> >>>> if r->consumer_head >= r->consumer_tail
> >>>> __netif_tx_lock_bh
> >>>> netif_tx_wake_queue
> >>>> __netif_tx_unlock_bh
> >>>>
> >>>> This implementation does not need any new ptr_ring helpers and no fancy
> >>>> ordering tricks.
> >>>> Would this implementation be sufficient in your opinion?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Maybe you mean == ? Pls don't poke at ptr ring internals though.
> >>> What are we testing for here?
> >>> I think the point is that a batch of entries was consumed?
> >>> Maybe __ptr_ring_consumed_batch ? and a comment explaining
> >>> this returns true when last successful call to consume
> >>> freed up a batch of space in the ring for producer to make
> >>> progress.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yes, I mean ==.
> >>
> >> Having a dedicated helper for this purpose makes sense. I just find
> >> the name __ptr_ring_consumed_batch a bit confusing next to
> >> __ptr_ring_consume_batched, since they both refer to different kinds of
> >> batches.
> >
> > __ptr_ring_consume_created_space ?
> >
> > /* Previous call to ptr_ring_consume created some space.
> > *
> > * NB: only refers to the last call to __ptr_ring_consume,
> > * if you are calling ptr_ring_consume multiple times, you
> > * have to check this multiple times.
> > * Accordingly, do not use this after __ptr_ring_consume_batched.
> > */
> >
>
> Sounds good.
>
> Regarding __ptr_ring_consume_batched:
> Theoretically the consumer_tail before and after calling the method could
> be compared to avoid calling __ptr_ring_consume_created_space at each
> iteration. But I guess it is also fine calling it at each iteration.
Hmm good point, though I worry about wrap-around a bit.
> >>>
> >>> consumer_head == consumer_tail also happens rather a lot,
> >>> though thankfully not on every entry.
> >>> So taking tx lock each time this happens, even if queue
> >>> is not stopped, seems heavyweight.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yes, I agree — but avoiding locking probably requires some fancy
> >> ordering tricks again..
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> The order of the operations
> >>>>>> + * is ensured by barrier().
> >>>>>> + */
> >>>>>> + will_invalidate = __ptr_ring_will_invalidate(&q->ring);
> >>>>>> + if (unlikely(will_invalidate)) {
> >>>>>> + rcu_read_lock();
> >>>>>> + dev = rcu_dereference(q->tap)->dev;
> >>>>>> + txq = netdev_get_tx_queue(dev, q->queue_index);
> >>>>>> + stopped = netif_tx_queue_stopped(txq);
> >>>>>> + }
> >>>>>> + barrier();
> >>>>>> + __ptr_ring_discard_one(&q->ring, will_invalidate);
> >>>>>> +
> >>>>>> + if (unlikely(will_invalidate)) {
> >>>>>> + if (stopped)
> >>>>>> + netif_tx_wake_queue(txq);
> >>>>>> + rcu_read_unlock();
> >>>>>> + }
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> After an entry is consumed, you can detect this by checking
> >>>>>
> >>>>> r->consumer_head >= r->consumer_tail
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> so it seems you could keep calling regular ptr_ring_consume
> >>>>> and check afterwards?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> + spin_unlock(&q->ring.consumer_lock);
> >>>>>> +
> >>>>>> + return ptr;
> >>>>>> +}
> >>>>>> +
> >>>>>> static ssize_t tap_do_read(struct tap_queue *q,
> >>>>>> struct iov_iter *to,
> >>>>>> int noblock, struct sk_buff *skb)
> >>>>>> @@ -774,7 +814,7 @@ static ssize_t tap_do_read(struct tap_queue *q,
> >>>>>> TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE);
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> /* Read frames from the queue */
> >>>>>> - skb = ptr_ring_consume(&q->ring);
> >>>>>> + skb = tap_ring_consume(q);
> >>>>>> if (skb)
> >>>>>> break;
> >>>>>> if (noblock) {
> >>>>>> @@ -1207,6 +1247,8 @@ int tap_queue_resize(struct tap_dev *tap)
> >>>>>> ret = ptr_ring_resize_multiple_bh(rings, n,
> >>>>>> dev->tx_queue_len, GFP_KERNEL,
> >>>>>> __skb_array_destroy_skb);
> >>>>>> + if (netif_running(dev))
> >>>>>> + netif_tx_wake_all_queues(dev);
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> kfree(rings);
> >>>>>> return ret;
> >>>>>> diff --git a/drivers/net/tun.c b/drivers/net/tun.c
> >>>>>> index c6b22af9bae8..682df8157b55 100644
> >>>>>> --- a/drivers/net/tun.c
> >>>>>> +++ b/drivers/net/tun.c
> >>>>>> @@ -2114,13 +2114,53 @@ static ssize_t tun_put_user(struct tun_struct *tun,
> >>>>>> return total;
> >>>>>> }
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> +static void *tun_ring_consume(struct tun_file *tfile)
> >>>>>> +{
> >>>>>> + struct netdev_queue *txq;
> >>>>>> + struct net_device *dev;
> >>>>>> + bool will_invalidate;
> >>>>>> + bool stopped;
> >>>>>> + void *ptr;
> >>>>>> +
> >>>>>> + spin_lock(&tfile->tx_ring.consumer_lock);
> >>>>>> + ptr = __ptr_ring_peek(&tfile->tx_ring);
> >>>>>> + if (!ptr) {
> >>>>>> + spin_unlock(&tfile->tx_ring.consumer_lock);
> >>>>>> + return ptr;
> >>>>>> + }
> >>>>>> +
> >>>>>> + /* Check if the queue stopped before zeroing out, so no ptr get
> >>>>>> + * produced in the meantime, because this could result in waking
> >>>>>> + * even though the ptr_ring is full. The order of the operations
> >>>>>> + * is ensured by barrier().
> >>>>>> + */
> >>>>>> + will_invalidate = __ptr_ring_will_invalidate(&tfile->tx_ring);
> >>>>>> + if (unlikely(will_invalidate)) {
> >>>>>> + rcu_read_lock();
> >>>>>> + dev = rcu_dereference(tfile->tun)->dev;
> >>>>>> + txq = netdev_get_tx_queue(dev, tfile->queue_index);
> >>>>>> + stopped = netif_tx_queue_stopped(txq);
> >>>>>> + }
> >>>>>> + barrier();
> >>>>>> + __ptr_ring_discard_one(&tfile->tx_ring, will_invalidate);
> >>>>>> +
> >>>>>> + if (unlikely(will_invalidate)) {
> >>>>>> + if (stopped)
> >>>>>> + netif_tx_wake_queue(txq);
> >>>>>> + rcu_read_unlock();
> >>>>>> + }
> >>>>>> + spin_unlock(&tfile->tx_ring.consumer_lock);
> >>>>>> +
> >>>>>> + return ptr;
> >>>>>> +}
> >>>>>> +
> >>>>>> static void *tun_ring_recv(struct tun_file *tfile, int noblock, int *err)
> >>>>>> {
> >>>>>> DECLARE_WAITQUEUE(wait, current);
> >>>>>> void *ptr = NULL;
> >>>>>> int error = 0;
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - ptr = ptr_ring_consume(&tfile->tx_ring);
> >>>>>> + ptr = tun_ring_consume(tfile);
> >>>>>> if (ptr)
> >>>>>> goto out;
> >>>>>> if (noblock) {
> >>>>>> @@ -2132,7 +2172,7 @@ static void *tun_ring_recv(struct tun_file *tfile, int noblock, int *err)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> while (1) {
> >>>>>> set_current_state(TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE);
> >>>>>> - ptr = ptr_ring_consume(&tfile->tx_ring);
> >>>>>> + ptr = tun_ring_consume(tfile);
> >>>>>> if (ptr)
> >>>>>> break;
> >>>>>> if (signal_pending(current)) {
> >>>>>> @@ -3621,6 +3661,9 @@ static int tun_queue_resize(struct tun_struct *tun)
> >>>>>> dev->tx_queue_len, GFP_KERNEL,
> >>>>>> tun_ptr_free);
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> + if (netif_running(dev))
> >>>>>> + netif_tx_wake_all_queues(dev);
> >>>>>> +
> >>>>>> kfree(rings);
> >>>>>> return ret;
> >>>>>> }
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> 2.43.0
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-09-24 9:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-09-22 22:15 [PATCH net-next v5 0/8] TUN/TAP & vhost_net: netdev queue flow control to avoid ptr_ring tail drop Simon Schippers
2025-09-22 22:15 ` [PATCH net-next v5 1/8] __ptr_ring_full_next: Returns if ring will be full after next insertion Simon Schippers
2025-09-22 22:15 ` [PATCH net-next v5 2/8] Move the decision of invalidation out of __ptr_ring_discard_one Simon Schippers
2025-09-22 22:15 ` [PATCH net-next v5 3/8] TUN, TAP & vhost_net: Stop netdev queue before reaching a full ptr_ring Simon Schippers
2025-09-23 14:47 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-24 5:41 ` Simon Schippers
2025-09-24 5:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-22 22:15 ` [PATCH net-next v5 4/8] TUN & TAP: Wake netdev queue after consuming an entry Simon Schippers
2025-09-23 14:54 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-23 16:36 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-24 5:56 ` Simon Schippers
2025-09-24 6:55 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-24 7:42 ` Simon Schippers
2025-09-24 7:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-24 8:40 ` Simon Schippers
2025-09-24 9:00 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2025-09-28 21:27 ` Simon Schippers
2025-09-28 22:33 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-29 9:43 ` Simon Schippers
2025-10-11 9:15 ` Simon Schippers
2025-09-22 22:15 ` [PATCH net-next v5 5/8] TUN & TAP: Provide ptr_ring_consume_batched wrappers for vhost_net Simon Schippers
2025-09-23 16:23 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-22 22:15 ` [PATCH net-next v5 6/8] TUN & TAP: Provide ptr_ring_unconsume " Simon Schippers
2025-09-22 22:15 ` [PATCH net-next v5 7/8] TUN & TAP: Methods to determine whether file is TUN/TAP " Simon Schippers
2025-09-22 22:15 ` [PATCH net-next v5 8/8] vhost_net: Replace rx_ring with calls of TUN/TAP wrappers Simon Schippers
2025-09-23 14:14 ` kernel test robot
2025-09-26 13:47 ` kernel test robot
2025-09-23 14:55 ` [PATCH net-next v5 0/8] TUN/TAP & vhost_net: netdev queue flow control to avoid ptr_ring tail drop Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-24 5:59 ` Simon Schippers
2025-09-24 6:12 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-24 7:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-24 7:33 ` Jason Wang
2025-09-24 7:41 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-24 8:08 ` Jason Wang
2025-09-24 8:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-09-24 8:30 ` Jason Wang
2025-09-24 8:54 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
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