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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
To: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org, davem@davemloft.net,
	razor@blackwall.org, pabeni@redhat.com, willemb@google.com,
	sdf@fomichev.me, john.fastabend@gmail.com, martin.lau@kernel.org,
	jordan@jrife.io, maciej.fijalkowski@intel.com,
	magnus.karlsson@intel.com, dw@davidwei.uk, toke@redhat.com,
	yangzhenze@bytedance.com, wangdongdong.6@bytedance.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v4 01/14] net: Add bind-queue operation
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2025 16:39:48 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251106163948.0d0d7d54@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251031212103.310683-2-daniel@iogearbox.net>

On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 22:20:50 +0100 Daniel Borkmann wrote:
> From: David Wei <dw@davidwei.uk>
> 
> Add a ynl netdev family operation called bind-queue that creates a new
> rx queue in a virtual netdev (i.e. netkit or veth) and binds it to an rx
> queue in a real netdev.

bind is already used in context of queues to attach devmem.
Having bind-rx, bind-tx == devmem, and bind-queue something else
is not great. Plus well-named ops have the object first.

Can we call this op queue-create ?

It is creating a queue on the netkit, we can wrap the other params
into a nest called "lease". Once / if we get to dynamic queue creation
on real netdevs we can reuse it (presumably then lack of "lease" will
then imply that we need a real queue to be allocated).

> This forms a queue pair, where the peer queue of

"queue pair" means Rx+Tx, please do not reuse terms like this.

> the pair in the virtual netdev acts as a proxy for the peer queue in the
> real netdev. Thus, the peer queue in the virtual netdev can be used by
> processes running in a container to use both memory providers (io_uring
> zero-copy rx and devmem) and AF_XDP. An early implementation had only
> driver-specific integration [0], but in order for other virtual devices
> to reuse, it makes sense to have this as a generic API.

> diff --git a/Documentation/netlink/specs/netdev.yaml b/Documentation/netlink/specs/netdev.yaml
> index e00d3fa1c152..1e24c7f76de0 100644
> --- a/Documentation/netlink/specs/netdev.yaml
> +++ b/Documentation/netlink/specs/netdev.yaml
> @@ -561,6 +561,46 @@ attribute-sets:
>          type: u32
>          checks:
>            min: 1
> +  -
> +    name: queue-pair
> +    attributes:

No need to create a "real" attribute set for this.

Once the attrs are wrapped in a "lease" nest you'll need a single
triplet, so make this a subset-of: queue (see the queue-id set).
name: ifc-queue-id ?

  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-07  0:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-31 21:20 [PATCH net-next v4 00/14] netkit: Support for io_uring zero-copy and AF_XDP Daniel Borkmann
2025-10-31 21:20 ` [PATCH net-next v4 01/14] net: Add bind-queue operation Daniel Borkmann
2025-11-07  0:39   ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2025-11-19 14:57     ` Daniel Borkmann
2025-11-20  2:20       ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-10-31 21:20 ` [PATCH net-next v4 02/14] net: Implement netdev_nl_bind_queue_doit Daniel Borkmann
2025-11-07  0:39   ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-10-31 21:20 ` [PATCH net-next v4 03/14] net: Add peer info to queue-get response Daniel Borkmann
2025-10-31 21:20 ` [PATCH net-next v4 04/14] net, ethtool: Disallow peered real rxqs to be resized Daniel Borkmann
2025-10-31 21:20 ` [PATCH net-next v4 05/14] net: Proxy net_mp_{open,close}_rxq for mapped queues Daniel Borkmann
2025-10-31 21:20 ` [PATCH net-next v4 06/14] xsk: Move NETDEV_XDP_ACT_ZC into generic header Daniel Borkmann
2025-10-31 21:20 ` [PATCH net-next v4 07/14] xsk: Extend xsk_rcv_check validation Daniel Borkmann
2025-10-31 21:20 ` [PATCH net-next v4 08/14] xsk: Proxy pool management for mapped queues Daniel Borkmann
2025-10-31 21:20 ` [PATCH net-next v4 09/14] netkit: Add single device mode for netkit Daniel Borkmann
2025-10-31 21:20 ` [PATCH net-next v4 10/14] netkit: Document fast vs slowpath members via macros Daniel Borkmann
2025-10-31 21:21 ` [PATCH net-next v4 11/14] netkit: Implement rtnl_link_ops->alloc and ndo_queue_create Daniel Borkmann
2025-11-07  0:41   ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-11-07 15:01     ` Daniel Borkmann
2025-11-07 15:54       ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-10-31 21:21 ` [PATCH net-next v4 12/14] netkit: Add netkit notifier to check for unregistering devices Daniel Borkmann
2025-10-31 21:21 ` [PATCH net-next v4 13/14] netkit: Add io_uring zero-copy support for TCP Daniel Borkmann
2025-11-07  0:43   ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-10-31 21:21 ` [PATCH net-next v4 14/14] netkit: Add xsk support for af_xdp applications Daniel Borkmann
2025-11-04 23:22 ` [PATCH net-next v4 00/14] netkit: Support for io_uring zero-copy and AF_XDP Stanislav Fomichev
2025-11-05  0:43   ` David Wei
2025-11-05 19:51     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2025-11-08 22:18       ` David Wei
2025-11-07  0:47 ` Jakub Kicinski
2025-11-07  1:00 ` patchwork-bot+netdevbpf

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