From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Bui Quang Minh <minhquangbui99@gmail.com>
Cc: "Xuan Zhuo" <xuanzhuo@linux.alibaba.com>,
"Jason Wang" <jasowang@redhat.com>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, "Eugenio Pérez" <eperezma@redhat.com>,
"Andrew Lunn" <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
"Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
"Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
"Alexei Starovoitov" <ast@kernel.org>,
"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
"Jesper Dangaard Brouer" <hawk@kernel.org>,
"John Fastabend" <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
"Stanislav Fomichev" <sdf@fomichev.me>,
virtualization@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
bpf@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net 1/3] virtio-net: make refill work a per receive queue work
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2025 11:27:09 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251225112636-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <dd4d01d7-29a8-43b3-bb5b-f50ea384aadb@gmail.com>
On Thu, Dec 25, 2025 at 10:55:36PM +0700, Bui Quang Minh wrote:
> On 12/24/25 23:49, Bui Quang Minh wrote:
> > On 12/24/25 08:47, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > On Wed, Dec 24, 2025 at 09:37:14AM +0800, Xuan Zhuo wrote:
> > > > Hi Jason,
> > > >
> > > > I'm wondering why we even need this refill work. Why not simply
> > > > let NAPI retry
> > > > the refill on its next run if the refill fails? That would seem
> > > > much simpler.
> > > > This refill work complicates maintenance and often introduces a lot of
> > > > concurrency issues and races.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > refill work can refill from GFP_KERNEL, napi only from ATOMIC.
> > >
> > > And if GFP_ATOMIC failed, aggressively retrying might not be a great
> > > idea.
> > >
> > > Not saying refill work is a great hack, but that is the reason for it.
> >
> > In case no allocated received buffer and NAPI refill fails, the host
> > will not send any packets. If there is no busy polling loop either, the
> > RX will be stuck. That's also the reason why we need refill work. Is it
> > correct?
>
> I've just looked at mlx5e_napi_poll which is mentioned by Jason. So if we
> want to retry refilling in the next NAPI, we can set a bool (e.g.
> retry_refill) in virtnet_receive, then in virtnet_poll, we don't call
> virtqueue_napi_complete. As a result, our napi poll is still in the
> softirq's poll list, so we don't need a new host packet to trigger
> virtqueue's callback which calls napi_schedule again.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Quang Minh.
> >
>
yes yes.
but aggressively retrying GFP_ATOMIC until it works is not the thing to
do.
--
MST
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-12-25 16:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-12-23 15:25 [PATCH net 0/3] virtio-net: fix the deadlock when disabling rx NAPI Bui Quang Minh
2025-12-23 15:25 ` [PATCH net 1/3] virtio-net: make refill work a per receive queue work Bui Quang Minh
2025-12-24 0:52 ` Jason Wang
2025-12-24 1:37 ` Xuan Zhuo
2025-12-24 1:47 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-12-24 16:49 ` Bui Quang Minh
2025-12-25 15:55 ` Bui Quang Minh
2025-12-25 16:27 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2025-12-25 7:33 ` Jason Wang
2025-12-25 16:27 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-12-26 1:31 ` Jason Wang
2025-12-26 7:37 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-12-29 2:57 ` Jason Wang
2025-12-30 16:28 ` Bui Quang Minh
2025-12-30 16:44 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-12-31 7:30 ` Jason Wang
2025-12-24 16:43 ` Bui Quang Minh
2025-12-24 1:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-12-24 10:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-12-24 17:03 ` Bui Quang Minh
2025-12-23 15:25 ` [PATCH net 2/3] virtio-net: ensure rx NAPI is enabled before enabling refill work Bui Quang Minh
2025-12-24 1:45 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-12-24 17:49 ` Bui Quang Minh
2025-12-24 10:20 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-12-23 15:25 ` [PATCH net 3/3] virtio-net: schedule the pending refill work after being enabled Bui Quang Minh
2025-12-24 10:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
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